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    Okay...my fellow AR.COM friends...I am even closer to deciding on my first ever cycle....let me just ask a quick question and ask for opinions?

    The four steroids that I want to use after reading about them are:

    Winstrol Depot
    Equipose
    Testosterone Propionate
    Dianabol

    I am wanting to do a 12 week cycle...as a first cycle, should I not use all 4? If not which would you drop? And I do know that DBOL and Equipose shouldn't be used at the same time, I would only use DBOL for weeks 1-4 at 25mg a day...run Test Prop the entire 12 weeks....Winny and EQ the last 6? 4? Just looking for opinions out there...and flames if I sound like I am a total idiot......

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    Hey bro, i would drop the test prob for test enanthate . Test pro is a shorter acting test, u would have to inject ed or eod atleast. Id run something like this...

    dbol weeks 1 - 4 30mgs x7
    EQ weeks 1 - 10 200mgs x2 t,s
    Test weeks 1 - 12 250mgs x2 t,s
    Winny weeks 7 - 12 50mgs x7

    Hows that look??

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    I agree use a long acting ester for this cycle over prop. I like prop when I do tren , because I shoot it every day.

    EQ, winny test cycle are my favorite !

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    If your doing Test prop, theres no need for the dbol . Test prop will kick in immediatly so theirs no need for a dbol jump start.

    Why not run dbol and EQ together?

    If you do as OG is saying and trade the prop for enan., continue with the dbol and drop the winny, or vice/versa
    The body can only put on so much at one time. Save one for the next cycle.

    I would go with this
    Wks 1-10 400mg EQ
    Wks 1-11 400-500mg Test cyp./enan.
    Wks 1-4 40mg dbol
    Usual clomid therapy and proper anti's on hand

    Or

    Wks 1-10 400mg EQ
    Wks 1-11 400-500mg Test
    Wks 9-13 50 winny
    Clomid
    Anti's on hand
    Last edited by Pheedno; 08-30-2002 at 02:45 PM.

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    Cool..thanks guys...I am noting all responses and opinons and making note......one more question...if this was your first cycle what would you pick, out of these steroids ? (i choose them because of the quality gains, less chance of bad sides)

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    i think i like this one....

    Wks 1-10 400mg EQ
    Wks 1-11 400-500mg Test
    Wks 9-13 50 winny
    Clomid
    Anti's on hand

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    man it's late guys..dont shoot me....but how exactly would i split the doses?

    Wks 1-10 400mg EQ (??)
    Wks 1-11 400-500mg Test (2x250)
    Wks 9-13 50 winny (eod or ed)
    Clomid
    Anti's on hand

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    Take EQ and Test in the same syringe (200 mg of EQ/250 test) twice a week on monday and Thursday. Take the winny 50 mg ED.

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    hey man i start that cycle next sunday.
    week 1-11 500mg test enth
    week 1-10 400mg eq
    week 8-13 50mg ed winstrol
    week 1-13 .25mg arimidex
    week 14-16 50mg ed nolvadex
    week 17-18 25mg ed nolvadex

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    Good luck bro looks like a good cycle to me. Let us know how everything goes. I'd prefer to see you end the cycle with clomid over nolvadex but let us know how recovery goes for some practical experience from a first time users perspective.

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    yep..about the time you are done antwaan, i will be ready to take my first ever step over to the darkside...i look forward to your updates..

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    If you're using EQ that's 50mg/ml you may need to split the doses up a litle more than 2x a week. I hope you got the 200mg/ml EQ!

    I just did a cycle like that - I did sust and jumped it w- d-bol. It was great. Good luck man and post us let us know how it turns out.

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    Majorpecs, After much research I will as well be starting my 1st cycle within the next 2 weeks. And I too went through the debate of adding Winny or Dbol to a Test/Eq cycle. Now 2 months later I decided (with the help of many Bros here) that it is best to not add either to my 1st cycle, since it is just my 1st. I've got plenty of time down the road to add those to future cycles. So this one is gong to be basic for me. Just my 2 cents. Good luck Bro!

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    Okay...I am thouroughly appreciating everyone's comments. The main reason I wanted to add WINNY for the last few weeks was to maybe cut up a little bit. Do you think that this is too much? So a TEST/EQ only cycle would be good for a first cycle? I am totally open minded, but do know that these are the three different steroids that I am considering. I def. don't wanna run Winny the whole time because of the damn ED shit....

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    Should I do any kind of tapering off the last few weeks of the cycle on the EQ and Test?

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    IMO, tapering off the last few weeks is not necessary. If you're planning on Test 400-500 and Eq 400, then I'd run that amount straight through. JMO

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    It was suggested to stop the EQ after 8 weeks and keep running the test for 10 weeks...reasonable? or should i just run them both through the entire time? i was also considering going ahead and doing winny for weeks 8-12....so lets see..here is my revised cycle so far:

    weeks 1-10 Test Enanth 250mgx2
    weeks 1-8 Equipose 200mgx2
    weeks 8-12 Winny 50mg ed

    How does that sound? This isn't including my clomid, nolvadex , and liquidex..i am still working on dosages and timing on those..

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    Run them both to ten weeks, run the winny from weeks 8 thru 12, then start clomid. That is my favorite cycle (test/eq/winny)!

    And Oh by the way... you potlicker!

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    Okay..how does it look now?

    Weeks 1-10 Test Enanth 250mgx2
    Weeks 1-10 Equipose 200mgx2
    Weeks 8-12 Winstrol 50mg ed
    Weeks 1-12 liquidex .25mg ed
    Clomid-start 5 days after last winny shot. 300mg day one, 100mg next 10 days, 50mg next ten days
    Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno symptoms..

    What about proviron ? Should I throw that into the mix?

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    I would run the liquidex through clomid therapy as well, it is shown to help elevate test levels and I have found that using the two together works VERY well in returning HPTA function. Also with the dex you should not NEED nolva but always good to have on hand.....and I am not a fan of proviron and I don't think you need it in that or any cycle for that matter.

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    Thanks Kizer....what do you think guys, should I just order my stuff and stop tweaking now?

    Okay..how does it look now?

    Weeks 1-10 Test Enanth 250mgx2
    Weeks 1-10 Equipose 200mgx2
    Weeks 8-12 Winstrol 50mg ed
    Weeks 1-15.5 liquidex .25mg ed
    Clomid-start 5 days after last winny shot. 300mg day one, 100mg next 10 days, 50mg next ten days
    Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno symptoms..

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    I wouldn't change a thing.

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    Originally posted by majorpecs
    i think i like this one....

    Wks 1-10 400mg EQ
    Wks 1-11 400-500mg Test
    Wks 9-13 50 winny
    Clomid
    Anti's on hand
    very nice first cycle...almost identical to my first one! why run the test and extra week? test and EQ should end together IMHO..start Clomid a day or two after last winny inject.

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    Originally posted by majorpecs
    Thanks Kizer....what do you think guys, should I just order my stuff and stop tweaking now?

    Okay..how does it look now?

    Weeks 1-10 Test Enanth 250mgx2
    Weeks 1-10 Equipose 200mgx2
    Weeks 8-12 Winstrol 50mg ed
    Weeks 1-15.5 liquidex .25mg ed
    Clomid-start 5 days after last winny shot. 300mg day one, 100mg next 10 days, 50mg next ten days
    Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno symptoms..
    now thats right on the money bro! BTW, who is that freak in youtr avatar? his legs are insane!

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    Originally posted by Big Rush


    very nice first cycle...almost identical to my first one! why run the test and extra week? test and EQ should end together IMHO..start Clomid a day or two after last winny inject.

    Half life of test is shorter than EQ and Deca .

    levels are more constant if clomid is taken 2wks after test, 3wks after EQ or deca

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    oh damn...now i am second guessing again...so pheedno are you saying i should start my clomid therapy 2 weeks after my last shot of test? even while on winnny?

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    Originally posted by majorpecs
    oh damn...now i am second guessing again...so pheedno are you saying i should start my clomid therapy 2 weeks after my last shot of test? even while on winnny?
    No, run the winny so it ends when the test and EQ are leaving your body

    Wks1-10 EQ
    Wks1-11 Test
    Wks9-13 Winny

    This way, the winny is ending three wks after eq and two wks after test. Then, begin clomid 1-2 days following winnys end

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    hey pheedno...what if i dropped the winny, then when would i start the clomid?

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    If the winny is dropped, i would imagine your ccyle consists of EQ and Test only. In that case I would go with this

    Wks 1-11 Test
    Wks 1-10 EQ
    Wks 13-16 Clomid on the usual split-300/100/50

    2wks for test-------3wks for EQ(or Deca )

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    bump.

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    To Winny or not to Winny...this is the question? Allright you vets out there, I am a gear cherry and this is my first cycle. If you had the choice of this cycle with or without the Winny, based upon your experience so far, would you include it in your first cycle, or wait until your second?

    Weeks 1-11 Test Enanthanate 250x2
    Weeks 1-10 Equipose 200mgx2
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    Weeks 10-13 Winstrol 50 ED

    I know this is only an opinon, but I figure if I get enough opinons out of it, then I can make a little more informed choice.

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    Personally bro, I would go ahead and order the winny. At week nine if you feel you want to add it, add it. If not, save it for your next cycle. At least that way your covered on both sides of the question.

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    Add it!

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    I finished my first ever cycle 8 weeks ago. It was:
    test enanthate 500mg weeks 1-10
    eq 500mg weeks 1-9
    winny 50mg ed weeks 8-12
    clomid weeks 13-16

    I put on 17 quality pounds, didn't hold any water or have any other bad side effects, and kept everything. I couldn't be happier.

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    sweet..thanks ufc...you didn't do liquidex or any other anti-e?? just clomid?? and congrats on a great cycle...i hope to accomplish the same!!

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