planning out next bulker help

**4plates** · 09-06-2002, 07:18 PM

ok heres the deal i am looking to do a few things on my next cycle and im looking for some guidence to acheive my goals.
1 im looking to get huge (im looking for 25-30 lbs of beef)
2 i want my shoulders,neck,arms,and chest to be loaded with vains.
my concern is,knowing that 30 lbs on a cycle isnt going to be all muscle.there will be some bf%increase.will this hinder my goals for roadmaps?
i plan on eating 4500 calories ed /350-400 mg protien ed,medium amt carbs.
training hard and heavy 5 days a wk/with no cardio!
my cycle will consist of
wk 1-4 drol 50 mg ed
wk 1-10 enethate 750 mg wk
wk 1-10 eq 600 mg wk
wk 7-13 winny depot 50 mg ed
wk 10-13 prop 100 mg ed
i will not be using any anti-es but will have nov on hand
clomid,nov,tylers ldt.etc
am i in a dream or are my goals obtainable?(remember i want vains)
right now if i were to guess,bf% is around 10-12%

**Alex Cross** · 09-06-2002, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by 4plates
ok heres the deal i am looking to do a few things on my next cycle and im looking for some guidence to acheive my goals.
1 im looking to get huge (im looking for 25-30 lbs of beef)
2 i want my shoulders,neck,arms,and chest to be loaded with vains.
my concern is,knowing that 30 lbs on a cycle isnt going to be all muscle.there will be some bf%increase.will this hinder my goals for roadmaps?
i plan on eating 4500 calories ed /350-400 mg protien ed,medium amt carbs.
training hard and heavy 5 days a wk/with no cardio!
my cycle will consist of
wk 1-4 drol 50 mg ed
wk 1-10 enethate 750 mg wk
wk 1-10 eq 600 mg wk
wk 7-13 winny depot 50 mg ed
wk 10-13 prop 100 mg ed
i will not be using any anti-es but will have nov on hand
clomid,nov,tylers ldt.etc
am i in a dream or are my goals obtainable?(remember i want vains)
right now if i were to guess,bf% is around 10-12%

Good luck bro!

Sorry, I havent done my bulker yet. But to put to put on 30 pounds, with no cardio, and NO anti-e, i think its gonna be awfully hard to look like a roadmap! Atleast throw in some liquidex to keep down the h2o. BUt to be honest, i think there is NO WAY!

A/C

**MAX30** · 09-06-2002, 11:27 PM

I think it's definetly possible to get what your looking for, but the veins probably won't show up until the drol and test bloat go away. They'll just hide for a while...hehe. Looks to me like there will be some serious beef put on!!!

MAX30

**Rickson** · 09-07-2002, 02:28 AM

4plates,
I think that is going to be pretty tough. The vascularity you are looking to achieve really seems to start when you get to the single digits in BF. I don't want to say you can't do it because I know you are experienced with diet, routine, and cycling and you certainly know your body best. I think modifying your goals to look for 15lbs with a possible 1-2% BF loss would be more realistic, give you probably the same amount of muscle, and still allow you to achieve the vascularity you desire. However you decide to go I wish you the best of luck and keep us updated.

**David B.** · 09-07-2002, 09:20 AM

4plates: This has nothing to do with your question, but who is the WSM contestant in your avatar?

--dnb

**big N** · 09-07-2002, 09:39 AM

4plates thats exactly the same cycle i have planned out but 8-18 tren also.ill lett u know.

**4plates** · 09-07-2002, 10:41 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by David B.
[B]4plates: This has nothing to do with your question, but who is the WSM contestant in your avatar?

its magnus ver magnussen.he was champ for a few yrs,
i think hes mostly refereeing now!

thanks for the advice guys,i have a while before i go again so im taking all responces into prospective!
maybe i will use liquidex to keep the bloat down.

**big N** · 09-07-2002, 11:19 AM

oops meant 8-13 .

**Big Rush** · 09-08-2002, 06:17 PM

4plates, looks like a killer cycle bro! you may want to consider investing in some L-dex to help keep that bloat down, thus exposing more vascularity??? just a thought. as you already know, i'll be running enanthte/EQ for 12 weeks...what do you think about extending it an extra 2 weeks? pointless?

**4plates** · 09-08-2002, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Big Rush
4plates, looks like a killer cycle bro! you may want to consider investing in some L-dex to help keep that bloat down, thus exposing more vascularity??? just a thought. as you already know, i'll be running enanthte/EQ for 12 weeks...what do you think about extending it an extra 2 weeks? pointless?

im going to take the advice and get some lqd-x or armidx
the 12 wk isnt out of the question either.i keep hearing of people wishing they extended their eq longer,so im going to keep it in consideration,thx bro!

**Tarzan** · 09-08-2002, 06:51 PM

Good cycle bro, but I think your goals are a little high. I would definatly use l-dex to keep your water weight down. Also you might need to bump the drol up starting in week two to 100mg/day. You might also want to consider going to 16 weeks and run some t-3 the last 4-6 weeks to help lose the BF. This might make your goals more realistic.

Good luck