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    Cycle Advice!

    What are the thoughts of preloading EQ?

    Im not familiar with preloading, But I will have 1200mg of extra EQ left over in this cycle!

    week 1-6 Test Prop 50mg/ED
    week 1-6 winny depot 25mg/ED
    week 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
    week 1-10 EQ 400mg/week

    I want to throw some Super Clen and T3
    Im going to run the Super Clen langer than the T3 to let my thyroid adjust

    followed of course with clomid

    As for the Anti-E?
    Should I go with the Arimidex threw the whole cycle?
    or will the Emergency Nolva be enough?
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    Preloading eq is fine as long as you keep it out of light and at room temperature just like you do the rest of your gear (hopefully).

    As for the anti E run arimidex throughout too help keep the bloat off and keep your body burning fat.

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    Bench Max....335 x 3 (at end of sets)
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    1200mg is a lot of EQ to Preload!

    Should I shoot 200mg/day for 6 days to preload?

    Then start the cycle?

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    Originally posted by 03733+$
    1200mg is a lot of EQ to Preload!

    Should I shoot 200mg/day for 6 days to preload?

    Then start the cycle?
    Ahh you meant FRONTLOAD, I thought you were talking about PRELOADING syringes.

    Why not do 600mg/w the first two weeks and then run it at 500mg/w the rest of the cycle?

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    ahh, front loading, it all makes sense now.

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    I think I'll go 600mg/w for the first three weeks then 400mg/w from there till week 10.

    BTW-
    how does this look for my T3! (Running from week 7-10)
    Im going by # of pills at 25mcg

    Day......1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

    #/Tabs 2 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1 .5 .5 .5

    Liquid Super Clen from week 7-12 (whats a good first time dose?)

    Will Arimidex week 1-18 at .25mg be enough to fight off any estrigen?

    Clomid week 15-18
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    .25mg arimidex .....sounds like chinese generics, the same god damn chinese generics I was taking last cycle when I started getting fucking gyno symptoms. I will warn you now, make sure you have the nolva on hand WITH those tabs......I think I got fucking sugar pills, certainly no dex, was on a LOW dose of gear too. I would take atleast .5mg/d of them if I were you (well actually I would avoid using them all together after my last experience with them)

    For the liquiclen, start with 1/4ml a day. You may even want to take that spread out.....as in a couple drops every few hours b/c that stuff will knock you on your ass.

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    I like the new avatar, I think the dog swallowed some narcotics and the other dog cant figure out where that scent is coming from!

    Im going to go with the liquArim, Should I go with the suggested dose .5 ml ED?

    Also taking from week 1-18 should cover estrigen rebound right?

    Im thinking about going with the LiquaThy. Theres 120 mcg/ml, right?
    would I also use the ramping system as well, starting with.25ml and ramping up to 1ml then back down to .25ml?

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    Cycle Update!

    Im taking the Test Prop and the Winny out and replacing them with Fina!


    week 1-7 Fina 75mg/ED
    week 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
    week 1-10 EQ 400mg/week
    week 7-10 T3 Up to 120mcg then down to 25mcg/ED
    week 7-12 SuperClen Up to 120mcg/ED
    week 1-18 Arimidex .5mg/ED
    week 15-18 Clomid


    Hows that look?

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    Re: Cycle Update!

    Originally posted by 03733+$
    Im taking the Test Prop and the Winny out and replacing them with Fina!


    week 1-7 Fina 75mg/ED
    week 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
    week 1-10 EQ 400mg/week
    week 7-10 T3 Up to 120mcg then down to 25mcg/ED
    week 7-12 SuperClen Up to 120mcg/ED
    week 1-18 Arimidex .5mg/ED
    week 15-18 Clomid


    Hows that look?
    Dude! You're defeating the whole purpose of frontloading!!

    Get your EQ load done by week ONE!! (there are some who have reported flu-like symptoms from doing this.. this is NOT from the actual AAS, but rather, from something else in the mixture.. Determine if you experience this before you load up)>

    What I was saying is... EQ, shooting it xmg/week, takes about 4 weeks to build up to max therpaputic value.. The whole concept of frontloading is to cut this time down to a week (or day, if you are me).

    Also, are you planning on using the end of this cycle to cut (hence the t3)?

    You need to quit EQ at least 3-4 weeks before you plan to be off.. Otherwise your clomid therapy will be useless.

    Andy

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    it looks like eq stops at week 10 then clomid at week 15 that is cool--it looks a little confusing at first
    the t3 should be taken up a little slower than what your doing--go 1 a day for couple of days then 2 a day and up that way to 4 or 5 per day then back down that way
    front load eq at 600mg first 2 weeks then go 400-500 per week after
    other than that you look good to go

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    So I should front load To cut the time it takes to kick in down to aweek?
    So pushing my clomid back to week 17 will be more effective?
    If I have the extra Test E would you suggest FrontLoading Test E?
    How much would you suggest to Frontload?

    Yes, I want this to be a real lean cycle with low water retention along with cutting at the end of the cycle!

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    if doing 12 weeks of test and 10 weeks eq then your ok doing clomid at week 15.eq lats 3 weeks in system and test e lasts 1 weeek so you will be ok to do clomid week 14 if want.
    as far as front loading do around 800-1000mg per week eq and test for first 2 weeks then drop to 500mg test and 500mg eq for next 8-10 weeks respectivily.
    i'm unsure if i like the t3 and clen at front or at end as i'm debating the same thing for my next cycle

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    Im going to Front Load at 1000mg in week one!

    Week 1 Test E 1000mg >FrontLoad
    Week 1 EQ 1000mg >FrontLoad

    Week 1-6 Fina 75mg/ED
    Week 2-12 Test E 500mg/week
    Week 2-10 EQ 400mg/week
    Week 7-10 T3 *Doses Below
    Week 7-12 SuperClen *Doses Below
    Week 1-18 Arimidex .5mg/ED
    Week 15-18 Clomid

    *T3 1ml/120mcg
    Im going with the LiquaThy (T3 from PPL)
    Day1/.25ml, Day2/.50ml, Day3/.75ml, Day4-13/1ml, Day14-16/.75ml, Day17-19/.50ml, Day20-22/.25ml, Day23-25/.12ml

    *SuperClen 1ml/120mcg (30 Drops=1ml)
    Im going with the LiquaClen (SuperClen from PPL)
    Starting with 6 Drops increasing a few everyday till 30 Drops is reached
    Continue with 30 Drops/ED till week 12 is reached

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    bUmP!

    Any other input?

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    i'd still go up a little slower with the t3--like 2-3 days each dose

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    As far as the T3 goes, if you want to go up to 120mcgs ED then you need to taper more slowly. I would run it for 5 weeks like this:
    Day 1-5 30mgs ED
    Day 6-10 60mcgs ED
    Day 11-15 90mcgs ED
    Day 16-20 120 mcgs ED
    Day 21-25 90 mcgs ED
    Day 26-30 60 mcgs ED
    Day 31-35 30mcgs ED

    or you can extend the T3 cycle by another 5 days and add them in there in the middle so that you are at 120 mcgs ED for 10 days instead of 5.
    BTW I like Andy's idea of dropping the prop and winny and adding fina. This will be a good swap for those who don't have a problem with the side effects of fina like I do. This is what I was just discussing with 037 via phone conversation Fri. He has not yet tried fina so I am suggesting that he give it a shot.

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