General steroid question

[AcePowerZ]

I just had a couple of questions for experienced users.
I am 225-230 lbs and I am 5'11 also 25 years old. I have never done steroids before but I am wanting to start. I am already Kind of a big guy so I wanted to know if I should start out with a cutting cycle to begin or should I just go ahead and pack on another few pounds and do a Bulking cycle?

I picked these two cycles out. One for Bulking and one for Cutting. Seeing how I havent done any of this before. I would like some comments on weather or not these cycles are good for beginners.

Bulking Cycle....
6Week Bulk
6x vial Deca (Organon)
8x vial Testosterone Ethanate (schering)
21x Tabs Clomid


Cutting Cycle.....
6Week Cutting Cycle
12x Amps Primobolan Depot (Schering)
1x10ml Testosterone Cypionate (Steris)
250 Winstrol Tabs 2mg
30 Clomid

Let me know. Thanks

[Big]

Welcome.
For starters, what is your body fat%?

[AcePowerZ]

My body fat is 14%

32 pounds of fat
197.8 pounds of lean muscle (muscle,bone,body water)

Measurements.
Waist 38
Hips 44
Forearm 13 1/2 in
Wrist 7 1/4 in
Bicep 18 in
Calf 17 1/2 in
Quads 28 in
Chest 45 1/2 in

[Big]

Neither of those would be good for a first cycle, most would recommend test only for a first cycle. Those appear to be cut and pasted from a website, and are not written out in a typical cycle fashion, which makes me wonder if you are ready. What pct would you use?

[AcePowerZ]

Well I did look on a site for a beginners bulking cycle and cutting cycle. That was what I came up with. Im trying not to spend a million dollars either. and I have no clue what pct is?

[AcePowerZ]

Why only a testorsterone fist. Like I say Im new to the steroids world and need the facts so I dont kill me self. I am a wrestler if that helps with anything activity wise.

[Big]

I had a feeling you didn't. PCT is "post cycle therapy " and is as important or more important than the cycle itself, it helps to restore your natural levels after a cycle so you don't screw yourself up. read the posts at the top of this section to get a basic understanding of pct and what is required,
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/
then once you get a handle on that, search the board for "beginner cycles" and do some studying.

[AcePowerZ]

Thanks.

[sassbs11]

we cannot answer that first question its up to you whether you wanna bulk or cut, the general rule is too bulk then cut,
as for those cycles _theyre shite too put it politely.

Right heres what i recommend if your not looking to spend a million dollars.

test 500mgs - 12 weeks
dbol - 1-6weeks
pct - nolva(look up pct mate in the education threads)

cutting-

winstrol 100mged 10 weeks
primoloban 150mgs p/week 10 weeks
clenbuterol 80mcg ed 2weeks on 2 weeks off

[gixxerboy1]

we cannot answer that first question its up to you whether you wanna bulk or cut, the general rule is too bulk then cut,
as for those cycles _theyre shite too put it politely.

Right heres what i recommend if your not looking to spend a million dollars.

test 500mgs - 12 weeks
dbol - 1-6weeks
pct - nolva(look up pct mate in the education threads)

cutting-

winstrol 200mgs p/week 10 weeks
primoloban 150mgs p/week 10 weeks
clenbuterol 80mcg ed 2weeks on 2 weeks off

i agree the cycles he posted suck. But you think 200mg of winny ed for 10 weeks is a good idea?

[AcePowerZ]

Cool, Thanks.

[sassbs11]

i agree the cycles he posted suck. But you think 200mg of winny ed for 10 weeks is a good idea?

cheers m8 i typed it wrong i meant 100.