1st cycle test/deca

[Dias_x]

I'm collecting all the gear for my 1st cycle

I'm looking to go for
week: 1-10 deca 500mg/week
1-12 sust250 500mg/week

pct : week: 12-16 nolvadex 20mg/day
12-16 hcg ???

age: 29
height: 183
weight: 75 kg
bf% ??
diet summary/# meals per day: 3500 calories per day and increase it to 4000 after week 4
years lifting: 10
cycle experience: pro hormones [m1t etc]
goals:muscle mass [10-12 kg]
syringe: 20 guage to draw fro vial
23 or 25 to shoot

Any sugestions /help/advise would be apreciated

[THEMEATEATER]

why dont you just stick with the sustanon for your first cycle m8, then next cycle add in the deca . You wont need that for your first one, you will make good enough gains with sus only m8. plus deca should be run for 12 weeks at the least.

[Dias_x]

Yeah its an option too just to start with sustanon only.This way i'll c how my body reacts using aas, plus if i can get near my goal only with sust it will be great too.

[Big]

I prefer test only for a first.

[rhino1]

Id go with Test E or C for 12 wks at 500mg/wk

[Dias_x]

"Sustanon is no better or worse than any other form of testosterone ...if the price is right"

meaning that sustanon and test E got the same effects?

I also read that test E is the most common test that is used and that is relatively cheap to produce, as the raw materials are very inexpensive, and as such, should be reasonably cheap and not often counterfeited, thus is recommended to stick with a reputable underground lab, rather then Organon, UpJohn, or one of the many other expensive companies.

Makes sense no?

[Ashop]

I'm collecting all the gear for my 1st cycle

I'm looking to go for
week: 1-10 deca 500mg/week
1-12 sust250 500mg/week

pct : week: 12-16 nolvadex 20mg/day
12-16 hcg ???

age: 29
height: 183
weight: 75 kg
bf% ??
diet summary/# meals per day: 3500 calories per day and increase it to 4000 after week 4
years lifting: 10
cycle experience: pro hormones [m1t etc]
goals:muscle mass [10-12 kg]
syringe: 20 guage to draw fro vial
23 or 25 to shoot

Any sugestions /help/advise would be apreciated

I would go 500mg wk TEST,,400mg wk DECA,,and use an AI.
For PCT,,,CLOMID and NOLVA,,,
use HCG during cycle ONLY,,,NOT during PCT.

[Dias_x]

I would go 500mg wk TEST,,400mg wk DECA ,,and use an AI.
For PCT,,,CLOMID and NOLVA,,,
use HCG during cycle ONLY,,,NOT during PCT.

Many AI's [Anastrozole,(Arimidex )-Aromasin -Proviron -Teslac ] to use.
Which one and how much per day?
Are they found over or under the counter?

[vishus]

Many AI's [Anastrozole,(Arimidex )-Aromasin -Proviron -Teslac ] to use.
Which one and how much per day?
Are they found over or under the counter?

try ordering arimidex from lion, take .25mg EOD, itll help with sides. make sure you throw in clomid during PCT too bro, youll need it. i agree with the other guys doing test only for first cycle, i dont know if you'll handle the deca well, its a milder steroid , but better safe than sorry i guess good luck with cycle

[Mulciber]

can get it from a research co. if your boy dont have it..

[trenerefic85]

Dude the more the merrier all of these drugs are dose dependent. You won't experience any sides on the doses your on. Don't listen to any of these fools that say TEST only. They are probably puny or fat. It honestly doesn't matter what you do but if your gonna do it you mine as well make the best of it and take enough gear to get some solid results. I am a trainer that works with high profile athletes that always ask questions like this, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT!

please do not give our members anymore dangerous advice. i know people that got really messed up from using steroids unsafely and 1 is a member here so lets THINK before we speak in the future. thank you

[trenerefic85]

oh but PS your PCT is all wrong and I MEAN ALL WRONG. Forget the HCG for the first cycle its a waste of money, youll probably shoot to much and cause primary testicular atrophy from which you will never recover.

[Mulciber]

Dude the more the merrier all of these drugs are dose dependent. You won't experience any sides on the doses your on. Don't listen to any of these fools that say TEST only. They are probably puny or fat. It honestly doesn't matter what you do but if your gonna do it you mine as well make the best of it and take enough gear to get some solid results. I am a trainer that works with high profile athletes that always ask questions like this, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT!

lol.. nice..
you my friend are added to the wingnut list..

[Big]

Dude the more the merrier all of these drugs are dose dependent. You won't experience any sides on the doses your on. Don't listen to any of these fools that say TEST only. They are probably puny or fat. It honestly doesn't matter what you do but if your gonna do it you mine as well make the best of it and take enough gear to get some solid results. I am a trainer that works with high profile athletes that always ask questions like this, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT!

Keep giving this type of advice here, and you won't be here long, mr trainer.

[MuscleScience]

Dude the more the merrier all of these drugs are dose dependent. You won't experience any sides on the doses your on. Don't listen to any of these fools that say TEST only. They are probably puny or fat. It honestly doesn't matter what you do but if your gonna do it you mine as well make the best of it and take enough gear to get some solid results. I am a trainer that works with high profile athletes that always ask questions like this, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT!

I think its the fact that it is his first cycle so having to keep the number of injections to a minimum to start is probably the best until he is more experienced. Plus he will grow like a weed with just test only to start. That is why everyone is saying go with test e or c for the first cycle.

BTW what is your academic and certification background. I to trained elite level athletes before going back to school.

[tbutner]

I did just testE 500mg week for 10 weeks and gained 25 pounds on first cycle. I wouldn't stack anything for first run.

[Kale]

Dude the more the merrier all of these drugs are dose dependent. You won't experience any sides on the doses your on. Don't listen to any of these fools that say TEST only. They are probably puny or fat. It honestly doesn't matter what you do but if your gonna do it you mine as well make the best of it and take enough gear to get some solid results. I am a trainer that works with high profile athletes that always ask questions like this, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT!

[rhino1]

good one kale

Test only for first cycle is IDEAL

[THEMEATEATER]

Dude the more the merrier all of these drugs are dose dependent. You won't experience any sides on the doses your on. Don't listen to any of these fools that say TEST only. They are probably puny or fat. It honestly doesn't matter what you do but if your gonna do it you mine as well make the best of it and take enough gear to get some solid results. I am a trainer that works with high profile athletes that always ask questions like this, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT!

please do not give our members anymore dangerous advice. i know people that got really messed up from using steroids and 1 is a member here so lets THINK before we speak in the future. thank you

Sort your head out! Giving advice like that to someone that is going to do his first cycle is bang out of order. Try reading the writing in red about giving dangerous advice........you wrote it m8, so practice what you preach. God!!

[Mulciber]

lol.. a mod wrote that brutha....

[THEMEATEATER]

lol.. a mod wrote that brutha....

lmao OOOppps!! Still bad advice tho lol
Cheers bro!

[Mulciber]

lol.. no doubt about that..

[Dias_x]

I did just testE 500mg week for 10 weeks and gained 25 pounds on first cycle. I wouldn't stack anything for first run.

thats what i'm talking about!!!!

[SK1Viking]

^^^definately posible with test only..make sure diet is flawless, and train harder and harder.

[SK1Viking]

if you end up with deca , hcg is a good idea, but like these guys said try the test to see how you react to it.