Eq for healing joints/test e/p for bulking up in same cycle

**mario_ps2** · 11-13-2008, 09:56 PM

From what I have read on these forums and several other articles is that EQ is excellent for healing old injuries/joints.
I have some pain on my elbows and right shoulder.

However, I have also read that if one takes too much TEST... say over 200 mg per week it will block the collagen synthesis.

Is this true?

I had in mine to do a 10 wks of EQ @ 400 mg per wk
10 wks of test E/orP 500 mg per wk
8 wks of tren a @ 400 mg per wk

Please give me your thougths and advice.. thank you..

**WARMachine** · 11-13-2008, 10:04 PM

If youre wanting to help increase collagen synthesis why not swtich out the Tren for Deca ?

**mario_ps2** · 11-13-2008, 10:10 PM

but deca bloats you like a ballon and gives you deca dick!!!!!

**rhino1** · 11-13-2008, 10:10 PM

IMO eq is a waste....if you want your joints to heal you need IGF/Alfutop/HGH/Deca /Test

**WARMachine** · 11-13-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by mario_ps2

but deca bloats you like a ballon and gives you deca dick!!!!!

Youre Diet gives you bloat, and if you run Test, it shouldnt give you Deca Dick...

What about Primobolan ? @ 5 mg/kg, it will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial

**mario_ps2** · 11-13-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by rhino1

IMO eq is a waste....if you want your joints to heal you need IGF/Alfutop/HGH/Deca/Test

Is Alfutop the same as Glucosamine and Chondroitin ?

Well.. for the sake of my joints I'd be willing to take deca with test of course but I read that EQ out of deca/primo would give more collagen synthesis per gram.

**rhino1** · 11-13-2008, 10:23 PM

NO alflu top is a drug still under research that is AMAZING for bad joints....

http://biotehnos.theshoppe.com/produ...m/alflutop.htm

**mario_ps2** · 11-13-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by rhino1

NO alflu top is a drug still under research that is AMAZING for bad joints....

http://biotehnos.theshoppe.com/produ...m/alflutop.htm

Sounds very interesting... but this too has to be injected!

**WARMachine** · 11-13-2008, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by mario_ps2

Is Alfutop the same as Glucosamine and Chondroitin ?

Well.. for the sake of my joints I'd be willing to take deca with test of course but I read that EQ out of deca/primo would give more collagen synthesis per gram.

"Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan , @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca. "

Just to clarify for everyone.

**rhino1** · 11-13-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by mario_ps2

Sounds very interesting... but this too has to be injected!

you have a problem with injections???

**mario_ps2** · 11-14-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

you have a problem with injections???

Nope.. not at all...

**mario_ps2** · 11-14-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

"Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan , @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca. "

Just to clarify for everyone.

So EQ is best at increasing collagen synthesis levels but does not give you the all-around benefits(such as muscle mass, skeleton muscle, bone density) like deca right?

**WARMachine** · 11-14-2008, 12:30 AM

^^ Not like Deca does...

**mario_ps2** · 11-14-2008, 12:41 AM

I'm trying to imagine how bloated I'm going to look with test e and deca .

Maybe I could use some arimidex ..

Can tren A also be used with test/deca?

Wouldn't 2 19nors terribly shut you down?

**rhino1** · 11-14-2008, 12:43 AM

Dont use tren and deca

You are being way too complicated...

Stick to the test and deca with .25 of arimidex /day...you will be very satisfied...

**WARMachine** · 11-14-2008, 12:43 AM

1 19-nor will terribly shut you down bro. Matter of fact, just one shot of Deca can shut you down.

And no, i wouldnt recommend doing 2 19-Nors... Thats asking for issues...

I would use an AI sure...

But in all honesty bro, bloat depends largley on your diet... Low sodium.