Ulcerative colitis and steroids.

[Gerbill]

Hey there, I'm posting here hoping someone has personal experience or knows something about this issue.

About 8 months ago I was diagnosed with Ulcerative colitis, I have had three "outbursts" (think it's the right word) since then and I'm using three medicines too keep the symptons down, which are: Decortin (immune supressant), Imurel and Pentasa.
This has effected my shape quite a bit as my appetite goes down during the outbursts and my intestines don't fully use all the nutrition I eat.

But now I am building myself up again and I have been considering a Test cycle for quite some time but the thing that worries me is; how it will affect the IBD disease and what effects the other drugs I am taking will have on the cycle and vice versa.

If anyone knows anything about this subject please enlighten me, it'd be appreciated.

[Big_gRunt]

Dude, you are playing with fire. Make sure you don't take Tbol (Turinabol ). It reduces the bodys ability to form blood clots. If you have an "outburst" while on that stuff you will loose so much blood.

Test strengthens the immune system. Because UC is auto-immune you could trigger a relapse.

There are complicated interactions with these drugs. You should make sure your specialist understands what you are thinking.

[DrSauce99]

www.lowdosenaltrexone.org

looking into your options... boosting your immune system is the way to go now... then juice boosts your immunesystem even more = even better = no symptoms

[Bossman]

I was diagnosed with UC in the year 2000. The first year was the worst for me. The Dr had me try lots of different combinations of meds to treat the syptoms. With UC, the ONLY cure is removal of the large intestine. Otherwise the meds just treat the syptoms.

I too thought bodybuilding would be out of the question. Turns out it hasn't been an issue at all. I do avoid oral AAS. But I haven't had problems with any ancillary drug such as nolvadex /arimidex /cabergoline/Clen /T3, ETc. Injectables have not been a problem including AAS, slin and HGH, HCG .

I still have a "flareup" (not outburst) once or twice a year. Meds help keep it under control. I have to be careful how I eat when bulking. If I get too sloppy my UC will start to give me some issues. During contest prep I almost forget I have UC. The ultra clean food really keeps the UC in check.

IMO, you can live a bodybuilding lifestyle on UC. Including AAS use. Just be careful and take it slowly.

BTW: I started competing in '05 as a middleweight (172 lbs). I will compete in 5 weeks approx 40 lbs heavier (210-215 lbs) as a solid Hvywt. You can gain size even with UC.

[mrdieselone]

Dude, you are playing with fire. Make sure you don't take Tbol (Turinabol ). It reduces the bodys ability to form blood clots. If you have an "outburst" while on that stuff you will loose so much blood.

Test strengthens the immune system. Because UC is auto-immune you could trigger a relapse.

There are complicated interactions with these drugs. You should make sure your specialist understands what you are thinking.

i had a friend that didnt listen to his body and that happened to him..he just wanted to get big... he died in the hospitial..be careful....he was only 26!!!

[Gerbill]

I was diagnosed with UC in the year 2000. The first year was the worst for me. The Dr had me try lots of different combinations of meds to treat the syptoms. With UC, the ONLY cure is removal of the large intestine. Otherwise the meds just treat the syptoms.

I too thought bodybuilding would be out of the question. Turns out it hasn't been an issue at all. I do avoid oral AAS. But I haven't had problems with any ancillary drug such as nolvadex /arimidex /cabergoline/Clen /T3, ETc. Injectables have not been a problem including AAS, slin and HGH, HCG .

I still have a "flareup" (not outburst) once or twice a year. Meds help keep it under control. I have to be careful how I eat when bulking. If I get too sloppy my UC will start to give me some issues. During contest prep I almost forget I have UC. The ultra clean food really keeps the UC in check.

IMO, you can live a bodybuilding lifestyle on UC. Including AAS use. Just be careful and take it slowly.

BTW: I started competing in '05 as a middleweight (172 lbs). I will compete in 5 weeks approx 40 lbs heavier (210-215 lbs) as a solid Hvywt. You can gain size even with UC.

Thanks alot for that answer, was feeling a bit desperate and it inspired me to keep going

But if it's not too much of a bother, might I ask what food it is that gives you trouble and what you prefer to eat when bulking ?

Doctor not really much of a help, says that there have not been many researchs on diet and UC and those that have been done show nothing important about diet.
Except he adviced me to be careful of dairy products.

[Bossman]

Thanks alot for that answer, was feeling a bit desperate and it inspired me to keep going

But if it's not too much of a bother, might I ask what food it is that gives you trouble and what you prefer to eat when bulking ?

Doctor not really much of a help, says that there have not been many researchs on diet and UC and those that have been done show nothing important about diet.
Except he adviced me to be careful of dairy products.

Its been difficult to put my finger on exactly what foods bother me. The best I can tell is that clean, unprocessed foods, suite me best. It may also be the quantity of food I take in when bulking is part of the problem as well. When cutting, Im on low GI carbs such as; brown rice, oatmeal and sweet potato. Protein sources are egg whites, fish, chicken and steak. When Im on this diet I almost forget I have UC. Its only when I go off my diet after competition and start eating processed foods again that I start to suffer.

[RANA]

I was diagnosed with UC back in 2003. I was on prednisone then asacol. My flare ups came due to stress. Remove yourself from the stressful environment and you may see a change in your body. I have not had a flare up in almost 3 years. I no longer take meds for it since I no longer have issue. I am one of the fortunate ones. There are no foods that effect me either way.
I did do a cycle of Test and dbol a couple of years ago with no issues.

[Gerbill]

www.lowdosenaltrexone.org

looking into your options... boosting your immune system is the way to go now... then juice boosts your immunesystem even more = even better = no symptoms

Thanks DrSauce, LDN really looks promising, I read up on this stuff and discussed it with my doctor and he mentioned having seen posters with info on it on conferences and said he was interested in trying it out.
So changes are I will try it in the future, if it indeed does work as well as it's supposed to I'll have to thank you even greater for pointing me in that direction.
Biggest plus will be not having to suppress my immune system with drugs rather making it stronger, 2 flies in one swing.

[Gerbill]

Its been difficult to put my finger on exactly what foods bother me. The best I can tell is that clean, unprocessed foods, suite me best. It may also be the quantity of food I take in when bulking is part of the problem as well. When cutting, Im on low GI carbs such as; brown rice, oatmeal and sweet potato. Protein sources are egg whites, fish, chicken and steak. When Im on this diet I almost forget I have UC. Its only when I go off my diet after competition and start eating processed foods again that I start to suffer.

That makes sense since all that extra stuff is added into processed food that maybe our bodies can't handle well with UC.
Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely start eating more unprocessed food.

I was diagnosed with UC back in 2003. I was on prednisone then asacol. My flare ups came due to stress. Remove yourself from the stressful environment and you may see a change in your body. I have not had a flare up in almost 3 years. I no longer take meds for it since I no longer have issue. I am one of the fortunate ones. There are no foods that effect me either way.
I did do a cycle of Test and dbol a couple of years ago with no issues.

Yeah I'll try to relax more maybe I should take up yoga eh? hehe
Quite lucky you are yeah, my doctor says I'm quite resistant to drugs and I'm taking like double the amount that is normally required and it's still not working properly.

[millsdogg69]

I was diagnosed with UC back in 2004 I take solofaulk I have been lifting weights for years now and when I get a flare up I do tend to lose some weight since my appitite deminishes. I have done a cycle of test cyp with no problems at all I also take effexor 225mg for anxiety and I'm about to take a cycle of test cyp and equpoise man you will be fine if u take it no worrys just watch what you eat

[DrSauce99]

Its life changing, and LIFE EXTENDING instead of shortening like Prednisone and immune suppressant thearapy.

DO it as quickly as you can I promise.

[LLIG]

hey guys i was diagnosed with UC a year ago and have been geting flare ups on and off now i have been working out for about 6 months and thinking about taking a cycle but don't know what i can take because of UC any suggestions?

[LLIG]

I was diagnosed with UC back in 2003. I was on prednisone then asacol. My flare ups came due to stress. Remove yourself from the stressful environment and you may see a change in your body. I have not had a flare up in almost 3 years. I no longer take meds for it since I no longer have issue. I am one of the fortunate ones. There are no foods that effect me either way.
I did do a cycle of Test and dbol a couple of years ago with no issues.

did the cycle cure the flare ups

[RANA]

did the cycle cure the flare ups

No, my flares ups stop a few years before my first cycle.

[LLIG]

do u think its okay if i do a cycle while i have a minor flare up cause my flare ups wont go away they keep coming back

[musclehead1]

Iv had it since i was 15. iv taken most drugs out there. Iv have spent many nights in the hospital with the longest being a month, people thought I was on my death bed. Iv done natural therapies. Depending on how bad your symptoms are I would suggest a therapy. Best thing to do is to find a supportive doc. Also when you get a flare up get a stool test done, sometimes its an infection which can be treated with antibotics.

Look into vsl#3 its a probiotic. I had a flare up and i took a high dose of it in about 4 days symptoms started to subside and on day 9 i was fine. These probiotics is like taking an entire bottle in only one pouch. Another thing dont let your doctor convince you that natural therapies dont work. (they dont work according to doctors because theirs no research behind it). keep a positive mind, chill out, plan each day so your not stressing out. If you are in a relationship make sure she/he is supportive. PM me if you need any help or advise.

[RANA]

do u think its okay if i do a cycle while i have a minor flare up cause my flare ups wont go away they keep coming back

I dont want to say it would be ok to do it because I don't know anyone that's been on a cycle with flare ups. Are you on asacol? Knowing what I know now regarding steroids and if I had minimal flares ups I would most likely take a cycle. I think the issue is if taking test will effect in any negitive way? Not sure about that one. I don't think high dosages of test (i.e. 500mg PW) would have negitive effects. This is only my opinion.

[LLIG]

whut do u mean by do a therapy?

[Notentered]

I know this is an old thread - but I've just spendt the last 2 weeks searching the web for EVERY single thread on AAS and UC - and this is on of the most interesting... especially because of the comments from "CGB610", who apparently also has UC and has done a lot of cycles since having been diagnosed with UC. (No offence - this is what I'm actually seeking - the REAL DEAL... personal experience (although well knowing that none of us are the same genetic wise!)

I was actually hoping to get in touch with CGB6810 - but it seems that you can't PM on this board? Why is that?

BTW... if anyone else should be interested in following a debate on "AAS and UC" I've posted a thread on CEM, which I hope will be able to benefite everyone out there with UC - seeking the same info as I did.

Best regards from Denmark

[4drol]

I kno this is an old thread but - bossman could you pm me, I'd like to chat with you about my recently diagnosed ulcerative colitis maybe you could help thanks

[austinite]

^ you won't be able to PM with 1 post.

[Ashop]

Hey there, I'm posting here hoping someone has personal experience or knows something about this issue.

About 8 months ago I was diagnosed with Ulcerative colitis, I have had three "outbursts" (think it's the right word) since then and I'm using three medicines too keep the symptons down, which are: Decortin (immune supressant), Imurel and Pentasa.
This has effected my shape quite a bit as my appetite goes down during the outbursts and my intestines don't fully use all the nutrition I eat.

But now I am building myself up again and I have been considering a Test cycle for quite some time but the thing that worries me is; how it will affect the IBD disease and what effects the other drugs I am taking will have on the cycle and vice versa.

If anyone knows anything about this subject please enlighten me, it'd be appreciated.

The thing that your going to need to get dialed in the most is DIET.
Have you found out any of your 'trigger' foods that aggravate your
condition?

[gsRuffneck]

all you guys with UC need to check out a book called " great taste no pain" by sherry breschia. to sum up the book you basically dont mix your carbs and protein, and fruit is always on an empty stomach and by itself. it is a little more in depth but our stomaches produce different acids for different foods. i only know this because my wife has uc and has been "flare up" free for 2 years.

[4drol]

Thx for the heads up austinite

[4drol]

Gonna bump this-
While on prednisone do you guys still lift? I'm tapering now on 30 mg a day still feel weak as crap but I feel I could do something at least to prevent further muscle wasting

[4drol]

Btw currently on prednisone and 2nd remicade infusion I'm feeling much better but still each day is a challenge with foods every day I seem to run into something with choosing the wrong food

[DFRELAT]

I have Crohn's disease since I'm 15 years old, was first diagnosed as ulcerative colitis for years and I've had pretty much everything that can go wrong with it over the years. Had 7 surgeries for it so far had my entire colon removed, tried pretty much every meds on the planet for it and for ME and I say Me because this is case by case but I've found out over the years that nothing works as well for me as steroids . I never feel as good as when I'm on gear. Trenbolone makes me feel like Superman! lol Every kind of gear I've tried so far made me feel better and I have tried many over the years. It's up to you to look at your options and decide on your options. I was 20 on that picture and the bag didn't stop me at all, in fact I saw it as motivation. 2 years after the colon removal and J pouch I did a strongman competition.

[NMD]

Ihave UC for about 2-3yrs now had some mild flare ups but nothing too severe that I needed to go hospital. My main problem I feel is gaining muscle mass and maintaining it. Considering a test cycle to boost me.

Bisman could you pm me?

[DFRELAT]

Every single guy that I know at my gym with UC and told to do a cycle got better with steroids . I personnally know at least 5 that I'm 100% sure of this. They mostly just juice up during flare ups. My favorites are Tren , dianabol and deca and as you can see from my pictures gaining weight and strenght is definitely possible lol At my biggest in those pictures I was 26 years old, 336lbs, had almost 23 inches arms cold, benched 540lbs raw and did a strongman competition and many other things... the other is at my smallest right after a diet at 186lbs and 19 years old, could bench easily twice my weight and had never taken any steroids yet. So I gained 150lbs in those seven years, I now hang around at 270lbs with brain cancer on top like in my avatar!

[NMD]

Sh1t dude you were huge! I've read a few studies that say test actually helps with UC. You see I'm just having a hard time to pick up the muscle mass and maintain it. I did a ph cycle and jumped from 81kg to 88kg in 8 weeks but during pct I lost majority of that and went down to 82kg. I'm 6ft 30yrs old been training since I left college 8-10yrs ago. I lost a lot of muscle/weight with UC and battle to absorb my food at times.
It's just depressing man, you work hard to get the muscle then a flare up screws you up

[abuleh]

Hey guys,

Bumping this back up. I was diagnosed with UC first in November 14 after suffering from unspecific digestion issues since April 14. I spend 1 week in the hospital and I am on Mesalazin 2x2 1.200mg ed. In the hospital they started me off with 80mg Prednisolone and I was tappering down over the last 6 months and am now at only 1.25mg ed.

Here is some interesting study on Testosterone usage for IBD:

IBD
PATIENTS WITH CROHN’S DISEASE AND TESTOSTERONE DEFICIENCY (HYPOGONADISM) BENEFIT FROM TREATMENT WITH TESTOSTERONE – DATA FROM AN ONGOING, LONG-TERM, OBSERVATIONAL REGISTRY STUDY
E. Detering1, F. Saad1, M. Nasser2, G. Doros3, W. Kurtz4, A. Haider5, L.Gooren6 1Global Medical Affairs, Bayer Pharma AG, Germany
2Gastroenterology, University of Aleppo, Syrian Arab Republic
3Epidemiology and Statistics, BU School of Public Health, USA
4Internal Medicine, Klinikum Bremerhaven, Germany 5Urology, Private Urology Practice, Germany
6Internal Medicine, Endocrine Section, VUMC, Netherlands
Background: Anti-inflammatory effects of testosterone (T) have been demonstrated in numerous studies. Methods: Prospective, cumulative, observational registry study, 73 hypogonadal men with Crohn’s disease (n=71) and Colitis ulcerosa (n=2) with T≤12 nmol/L from 2 centers in Germany and Syria received testosterone undecanoate injections on day 1, after 6 weeks and thereafter every 12 weeks for up to 75 months. 12 hypogonadal men with Crohn’s disease not receiving T served as control group. In total, 73 men received T and 12 hypogonadal men remained untreated. Crohn`s Disease Activity Index (CDAI) was assessed every 3 months. Highly sensitive C-reactive protein (hsCRP) and leukocyte count were measured. Results: T levels at baseline were 9.37±1.08 nmol/L in the T group and 10.75±0.36 in the control group. During treatment, T increased to 15.72±0.53 and slightly declined in the control group. CDAI decreased from 231.3±35.96 to 75.0 in the treated group and increased from 196.25±7.11 to 210.0 in the control group. hsCRP (mg/dl) levels at baseline: 14.01±9.18 in the T group, 7.3±0.98 in the control group. They decreased to 2.63±1.91 after 72 months in the T group and increased to 13.7 in controls. Leukocyte count decreased from 12.42±2. 46 to 5.97±0.51x103 cells/μl in the treated group and remained unchanged in controls (from 11.38±1.29 to 12.7). Conclusion: Normalisation of T in hypogonadal men with Crohn’s disease led to improvements of the CDAI, hsCRP , a reduction of leukocytes and an improvement of QoL. The mechanism of this improvement may be through anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressive effects of testosterone.


Additionally, Prednisolone is also a steroid and we all know the nasty side affects coming from it being catabol. Also Osteoperoses is a big issue on Cortison. So I found this study:

Testosterone Therapy in Glucocorticoid-Treated Men
Ian R. Reid, MD; Diana J. Wattie, RN; Margaret C. Evans; Joanne P. Stapleton, RGON
Arch Intern Med. 1996;156(11):1173-1177. doi:10.1001/archinte.1996.00440100065008.
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Abstract
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Background: Treatment with glucocorticoid drugs is a valuable therapy, but the use of these drugs is associated with major side effects, including osteoporosis, muscle wasting, and obesity. In men who take glucocorticoids, circulating testosterone concentrations are reduced, and this might contribute to the changes in bone and soft-tissue mass.
Objective: To assess the effect of testosterone replacement on these above-mentioned parameters in glucocorticoid-treated men.
Methods: Fifteen asthmatic men who were receiving long-term glucocorticoid treatment were randomly allocated to receive therapy with testosterone esters (30 mg of proprionate, 60 mg of phenylprionate, 60 mg of isocaproate, and 100 mg of decanoate [Sustanon ]) (250-mg/mo intramuscular depot injection) or to act as control subjects during 12 months. After a washout period for those men who were receiving testosterone, the groups were then crossed over and studied for a further 12 months. Bone density and body composition were assessed by dual-energy, x-ray absorptiometry. Paired or unpaired 2-tailed t tested were calculated. Unless otherwise stated, all values are given as mean±SEM.
Results: Bone density in the lumbar spine increased 5.0%±1.4% (mean±SEM) (P=.005) during testosterone supplementation, but it did not change during the control period (between-groups difference, P=.05). These changes were accompanied by a decrease in the indexes of bone turnover. There was a gain in body fat mass (2.1±0.06 kg, P=.01) and a loss of lean body mass (1.4±0.5 kg, P=.02) during the control period, with both changes being reversed by testosterone treatment (P<.03).
Conclusion: Testosterone treatment reverses the deleterious effects of glucocorticoid drugs on skeletal and soft tissues in men.(Arch Intern Med. 1996;156:1173-1177)

So I figure that Testosterone can only help with the condition of UC and Chrons. As any steroid, also Test has intiinflammatory effects and also regulates the immune system.