i was just reading in the september issue of MD in the Dave Palumbo column about how QV is actually a branch of Denkall, and although they are veternary steroids, it is actually packaged under the same stringent standards as human grade steroids. (excellent, yes?) the article was from a user who wanted to know his opinion about vet and human grade, and Dave explained that there is virtually no difference and wouldn't recommend one over the other...just some stuff for everyone to think about..