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help newbie, I Just finished cycle 250mg sus and 50mg dec a week for 8wks and gained only 4-6 lbs, I was limited on amount of gear that I had so I tried to make it last thinking I could gain more over a period of time versus shorter time higher dosage. Didnt work for me. How long should I wait before starting new cycle and how much of a dosage should I do? My new cycle will be dbol, Eq and test200.
thanks
Let me clarify, you did:
Weeks 1-8: Deca, 50mg
Weeks 1-8: Sust250, 250mg
And you want to know why you gained exactly what you should have been able to gain naturally? 4-6 lbs in 2 months...
yes, a stupid question. bump up to sust 500 and deca at least 200 per week and you should see 15-20lbs
You are kidding about the 50mg of deca right?
lol
Deca should only be ran a MINIMUM of 300mg per week - IMO. It is simply to suppresive to run at lower dose. Your gains get eatin' up by the endogenous shutdown.Quote:
Originally posted by kites
yes, a stupid question. bump up to sust 500 and deca at least 200 per week and you should see 15-20lbs
Sust250 should be ran EOD - or you need to switch to a more novice drug like Test Cyp or En and run at 400mg per week.
I hope he is.Quote:
Originally posted by Nico
You are kidding about the 50mg of deca right?
you guys didnt hear about the new 50 mg/ml deca that they're putting out?????!!!!!??? wow you're out of the loop bros...
its the hot new thing- training wheels for bodybuilding
i'm just messin around man, i did some stupid shit before i found AR- all i have to say is stay on this board and learn as much as you can. it's the best place to gain a strong base of knowledge on AS.
to all the flamers and sarcaticism, you ere once an igoranct fool yourself so don't mock on the one coming up. now, 50 mg/week is not going to do anythin much bro. bump it up to 300-500mg is the way to go. sus is designed for people who has proplem with their teir tes level and the doc would recommen once a month. to me sus is a not woth a danm thing for BB unless you inj every 3 day. some will even go ed. live and learn my friend.
for your next cycle, you need to run"
week 1.....4.............30mg/day(cuz it's so cheap)
week1......8............400mg/week
week 1.....8.............test500mg/week
then depends test you run at the last couple week. start you clomid therapy.
good luck bro
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Originally posted by KIMBLE
then depends test you run at the last couple week.
Uh, you didn't name the drug for wks 1-4 or 1-8, I'm guessing dbol and EQ or dbol and deca? Either way the deca or EQ should be run 10 weeks, 12 preferably for EQ and the test should be run 11 weeks if being run with deca IMO (if its enanthate or cyp), 12 with the EQ.Quote:
Originally posted by KIMBLE
to all the flamers and sarcaticism, you ere once an igoranct fool yourself so don't mock on the one coming up. now, 50 mg/week is not going to do anythin much bro. bump it up to 300-500mg is the way to go. sus is designed for people who has proplem with their teir tes level and the doc would recommen once a month. to me sus is a not woth a danm thing for BB unless you inj every 3 day. some will even go ed. live and learn my friend.
for your next cycle, you need to run"
week 1.....4.............30mg/day(cuz it's so cheap)
week1......8............400mg/week
week 1.....8.............test500mg/week
then depends test you run at the last couple week. start you clomid therapy.
good luck bro
R u talking from experience????Quote:
Originally posted by KIMBLE
\ to me sus is a not woth a danm thing for BB unless you inj every 3 day. some will even go ed. live good luck bro
Well you didn't gain much because the dose was to low. I will disagree with Worriors coment about deca being ran at 300mg a minnimum to be effective, if you are new to the game 200mg would do you just fine, as a matter of fact some of my earlier cycles consisted of 500mg of sustenon and 200mg of deca a week and my gains were good. In ideal world you would take Sust every 2-3 days however test propinate is only a very small part of 90mg (total between prop and phenylprop) which means there still is 160mg of longer acting test in there, yes i agree it is not a prefect drug and i do not like nor use it personally but if that's all a person can get it is an alright choice. I would say for a newbe a dose of 500mg to 700mg a week should produce good results with little side and that's where i feel the starting point should be...good luck in the future Bro...XXL
Great answer Mike.. thanks for the info. It's amazing what you learn by just reading :)
i say 1G of each a week, no less, sust 250mg 4 times per week
WTF are you talking about...it was his first cycle and you are telling him to take 1 gm of each...WHATEVER!!!Quote:
Originally posted by FKNMONSTER
i say 1G of each a week, no less, sust 250mg 4 times per week
XXL
Huh? You're recommending that to someone new?Quote:
Originally posted by FKNMONSTER
i say 1G of each a week, no less, sust 250mg 4 times per week
Youre kidding about the 1 gram a week thing, right? I mean, this was the guys FIRST cycle!
Originally posted by FKNMONSTER
i say 1G of each a week, no less, sust 250mg 4 times per week
WTF, 1 gram per weeks of each. shit, that will really fuck him up...
FKNMONSTER aren't you on your first cycle right now.. i hope your not taking those doses...Madmax..:eek:
It won't fuck him up, it's just that it's probably a waste. According to many sources, Arnold never went over a gram of total gear in a week.
it will fuck him up...he will be less likely to make the type of gains on lower doses in the future..thats why people start at small doses and work their way up. instead of starting at high doses and working their way down.......Madmax...
some people can getaway with low doses others require high doses, however all depends on each person, i did the same thing took deca50mg weekly,
t50200mg for 8weeks, i put lots of cals and workout pretty hard, i gained 15lbs no clomid kept them all,
1st cycle didnt no shit about roids and the asshole who suposselly was telling me how to do it
didnt no shit either,
personnaly.. i don't believe any one requires 1000mg of test per week on their first cycle...i'm sure others will agree...down the road, yes, but not the 1st cycle...Madmax..
Thats just bad addvice FKNMONSTER !!!
No newbie to the game should go 1g of anything on their first cycles..
Why not do a regular softcore b&b !
week 1-11 sust 250
week 1-12 deca 400
Should bring solid good gains with the proper post therapy.
Also why go all out when you dont even know how your body reacts to AS.
just my two cents.
B-E