Toxic to the kidneys - What is & What isn't

**dlowe024** · 01-04-2003, 12:24 AM

Tren is more toxic to the kidneys then most AS.(So people say) Are there any that are less toxic then others? The reason I ask is about two months ago I had just started a cycle of Tren@75mg/eod along with 500mg test enenthate when I started getting really sharpe quick pains in my lower back. I've heard people having back pains and a tight lower back when on Tren but this was not the problem I was having, something was wrong. I wasn't pissing blood but I still stopped the AS and the pain has gone away. I've be clean for almost two months now and I'm looking for my next cycle. I plan on seeing a doctor before and after this next cycle just to make sure every thing is in check. I going to stay away from Tren for good is there any other AS I need to stay away from to avoid these kidney problems from coming back? Any that are less toxic then others? I know orals are worse for the liver and I know you have to drink at least two gallons of water a day to keep your kindneys flushed. Anybody got any suggestions on what I can take to keep it safe or if I just stay away from Tren I should be fine? Sorry about the long read but if you don't give enough info it is hard to get the right info. Thanks and any help would be great.

**dlowe024** · 01-04-2003, 11:43 AM

bump

**Warrior** · 01-04-2003, 11:49 AM

Well - tren is not on of them. Here is an interview with Brock Strasser:

Q: I saw in one of your posts to a message board somewhere that your version of "Magic Dissolving Liquid" in your Fina kit only contains benzyl alcohol with a smidgen of benzyl benzoate. The other person selling Fina kits says that your kit won't remove all the glue and talc from the pellets. I don't want to inject glue or talc and I bet nobody else does either, so why can't you make a kit that removes these things?

A: The idea that Finaplix (or Component TH) pellets contain talc and/or glue used to "hold the pellets together" was started by the late Dan Duchaine. Dan didn't possess any real knowledge about pharmaceutical compounding so he guessed that something was needed to hold the pellets together and that "something" was talc and glue.

He never defined exactly what "glue" was either. I mean, are we talking about the remains of Mr. Ed here or are we talking about Krazy Glue? These ideas, despite being erroneous, soon spread like gospel in the underground world. However, it's untrue, a total fabrication, and utter bullshit because Finaplix and Component TH contain neither talc nor liquefied Mr. Ed residue!

Both of these types of anabolic pellets contain yellow dye #5, methyl-cellulose (MC) and trenbolone acetate. That's all, folks! The pellets are compressed under extreme pressure (as are most pellets and tablets) and no "glue" is used, other than the extreme pressure. None of the kits on the market remove the yellow dye and one could argue that the other guy's kit does remove the MC and mine does not (MC is what causes the "gooey residue" in the other kit).

However, MC is essentially harmless. Don't believe me? MC is used as a surfactant in Testosterone suspension and Winstrol -V. It keeps your stanozolol and Testosterone from clumping up and sticking to the insides of the bottle. Now I know someone is going to start an argument with me here and post all over the place that I'm wrong and that I'm only saying the pellets don't contain talc or glue because my kit sucks and won't remove that stuff. So, here's the telephone number for the company that makes one of the pellets: 800-247-4838 and you can call between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. EST and verify my claim if you like.

**Warrior** · 01-04-2003, 11:53 AM

The "kidney pain" is simply core water retention...

**Big Rhino** · 01-04-2003, 03:34 PM

Look for my reply under converting fina or as soon as your cycle is over, I know this going to sound stupid, but a good colin cleaner it helps to clean out the toxins in your body.

RHINO