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Pardon a Bit of Cynicism, But . . .
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Originally posted by Ta TownBacker
We had the cyp lab tested about 6 months ago, while it was underdosed, it was indeed testosterone cyponate, it contained on average 171mg/ml.
Ta, I join everyone in welcoming you to the board, but I think a little discernment is in order here (especially in light of the questions about your identity in the "Mew Member, Over from Elite!" thread and the implication in that thread that you might be in, shall we say, the business end of AS). Don't read that as an attack or flame, dude, just a bit of healthy and reasonable suspicion.
The average person does not have the ability, nor the connections, to have cyp "lab tested," especially when the above statement reads, "We [plural] had the cyp lab tested . . ."
Moreover, when one is buying cyp that is marketed as 200 mg/ml, it is reasonable to have the assurance that it really does contain 200 mg/ml, not "on average 171 mg/ml."
What, exactly, did you have lab tested? And by what lab (in other words, how do we know that it was a reliable lab that used an accurate assay)? And what is "on average 171 mg/ml?" (For those not familiar with statistical sampling, Ta TownBacker's statement could mean anything. It could mean that any number of samples were tested, including so few that it was not a reliable sampling, and that the "average 171 mg/ml" concentration could have ranged from some samples at 71 mg/ml and others at 271 mg/ml with the so-called "average" being between them. Not knowing what the range was alone, I wouldn't shoot this stuff into my bod.)
This is one of the reasons I advocate using only a legally U.S. or Canadian-manufactured test (cyp or enanthate), made according to FDA or similar standards. When you use anything else, you have no assurance as to what you are getting (nor not getting). Incidentally, the issue is not only quantity and quality of product, but also product purity.
Moreover, I submit that even if one were to trust the product of an underground lab (and, depending on what AS one uses other than cyp or enanthate, there is sometimes no alternative), there would be more reliability if that lab were marketing a product without an FDA/NDC number. The fact that the so-called "Steris" products (as pictured in this thread) have an NDC number on the box that does not appear in the National Drug Code list is downright deceptive, designed to pull the wool over AS users' eyes by implying that it is actually an FDA-approved pharmaceutical-grade product. Or, at the very least, that it is manufactured according to the FDA-monitored standards of Steris Pharmaceuticals. If it were up front in its origins, I would not have a problem with it; because it purports to be FDA approved, is marketed under the name of a recognized pharmaceutical company and, by your own admission, has anything other than an actual 200 mg/ml concentration, I submit that it is a rip-off.
- TNT
Who is not in the business of selling AS
and has no vested or business interest
in whatever people use - just a safety
interest.
True, Upjohn/Pharmacia, Yes, and No . . .
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Originally posted by gixxerboy
TNT not to get off subject you say you only use US made AS when possible.Who still makes cyp? Does upjohn or anybody else?
The answer is that only Upjohn/Pharmacia makes legal cyp in the U.S. If you do a forum search on "FDA and Steris and Schein" (without the quotes), you'll find a couple of other threads where I discuss, in detail, why that's the case - in short, Steris used to make all the generic cyp marketed in the U.S. (including products under the Goldline and Star names) until they were popped by the FDA and decided not to resume manufacturing cyp.
Therefore, there are only two legally manufacturer testosterone injectables made in the U.S. today. The cyp is Depo-Testosterone, which is made by Upjohn and Pharmacia (two separate companies that operate in a partnership for this drug, something that's very common in the U.S. pharmaceutical industry). Depo-T comes in two strengths, 100 mg/ml and 200 mg/ml, and is sold in 10 ml multi-dose vials.
(From an AS standpoint, it only pays to use the 200 mg/ml strength, since you have to shoot less volume in order to get the maximum effect. In other words, if you want to take, say, 300 mg. in an injection, why shoot 3 ml when you only have to shoot 1-1/2 ml?)
The other legal test in the U.S. is Delatestryl, a test enanthate made by BTG and marketed by Bristol Myers Squibb. It's sold as 200 mg/ml in 5 ml vials.
In Canada, Delatestryl is made by Theramed Corporation and also sold as 200 mg/ml in 5 ml vials. Depo-Testosterone is not available in Canada.
Nifty trivia: Through legal sources (namely drug stores), in the U.S. both Delatestryl 200 mg/ml and Depo-T 200 mg/ml cost about $70-75 per vial. However, since the Delatestryl is in a 5 ml vial and the Depo-T is in a 10 ml vial, that means that the Depo-T costs only half as much ounce-for-ounce. Even cheaper is Delatestryl in Canada, where a 5 ml vials sells in most drug stores for about $33 CDN (or $22 USD, making the cost of 10 ml even cheaper at $44 USD).
You're right, gixxerboy, I use only legally manufactured Delatestryl or Depo-T (I have no preference, since IMO enanthate and cyp have no significant differences), which I get from legit drug stores in the U.S. or Canada. There seems to be a general consensus that Mexican drugs are not up to par in terms of either purity or concentration, and I agree. By sticking with legit U.S. or Canadian products, I know that what I'm shooting into my bod' has been made according to FDA-mandated standards. (Canada is not under the authority of the FDA, but their standards are just as tight.) I have nothing against the Mexican people, but when it comes to putting something Mexican in my body, I'll stick with Taco Bell. (Yes, that's a joke. Everyone knows that Taco Bell is not "the real thing.")
