D-Bol + Winstrol ?

**turboz** · 03-26-2010, 08:26 PM

Hi, i would like to know if it would be a good idea to run d-bol + winstrol at the same time? To gain muscle without to much water retention.

**The_Dark** · 03-26-2010, 08:31 PM

yeah, dbol and stan works well enough together. but if you're runnin both orally, it may be bad news as both orals are 17aa- which means you need to be prepare for the effect of liver damage when runnin on high doses.

**turboz** · 03-26-2010, 08:33 PM

So, iam better with d-bol + Anavar if i go all oral

**The_Dark** · 03-26-2010, 08:42 PM

both anavar and stan are actually potential for the similar effect on your liver. but i would not say that you shouldn't run it. take both orals on a low dosage but on a not more than an 8 weeks cycle.

**2jz_calgary** · 03-26-2010, 08:48 PM

dbol shouldnt be ran alone, anavar can be. Winstrol can be as well but not recommended. Basically dbol or winny should be ran with test of some form.

**2jz_calgary** · 03-26-2010, 08:56 PM

anavar isnt super harsh on the liver its harsher on cholesterol profiles. Dbol isnt great but winny is probably the most hepatoxic of the lot

**The_Dark** · 03-26-2010, 09:01 PM

true winny is the most toxicatin oral out there- the reason why i wouldn't recommend a long cycle if runnin on another form of oral. if water retention a much of a concern, i'd advice on winny, tren and test e.

**chouinardragon** · 03-26-2010, 09:19 PM

What are the sides to anavar compared to Test e? I read somewhere that var was better for men. Is this true? gyno, testes, and hair loss not being a factor? Cholesterol is the only issue? If I do not have hypertension, or cholesterol problems, would that not be a good choice?

**2jz_calgary** · 03-26-2010, 09:23 PM

depends how you react. most dont get many if any sides at all on anavar but be warned your cholesterol profile will get effed up and thats a bad side imo. An introductory dose of test didnt give me hardly any sides, and i used a longer ester (test c) when i switched to prop i noticed more sides (acne)

**Hunter** · 03-26-2010, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by The_Dark

true winny is the most toxicatin oral out there- the reason why i wouldn't recommend a long cycle if runnin on another form of oral. if water retention a much of a concern, i'd advice on winny, tren and test e.

No its not halo is more toxic as well as oral tren .

**2jz_calgary** · 03-26-2010, 09:32 PM

anavar is a dht as well so if you are prone to mpb you may lose some hair.

**turboz** · 03-27-2010, 08:06 AM

I did anavar , and the only sides i had was my joints were sensible and my head (hair) was Hichy

**turboz** · 03-27-2010, 08:11 AM

So whats the best bet for me, to gain muscle with the less water retention. Any Thought ? I just finished anavar -20, i still want to get leaner and gain muscle. (And i know about diet and cardio guys !

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