Advice on First Cycle

**BluEyedClubr** · 02-13-2003, 09:13 PM

Here's the low down:

I've been doing reading and asking around and I just want to make sure I do the right thing so I thought I'd ask some of you for advice. I'm not the size of most guys I know in the gym so that's where I'm concerned-and by that I mean height.

I'm 6 ' 6 and @ 230 lb (pics linked in sig) - I'm 23 and I've been working out since I was 20 first started to loose weight from 295 down to 220 in about a year and since lift for strength/size.

I've been interested in doing a cycle for quite a while and I'm looking into purchasing in the next few days. I want to add size and then cut up for summer and I planned on starting in March.

Some fellow gymrats have told me really 2 diff cycles :

1) made up of Decca300 / Test300 / DBol / and Winny followed by Clomid

2) 2 bottles of T400 and 2 bottles of Deca and
100 winny 10mg Tabs. Do test and deca for 10 weeks and do winny
from week 7 until finished.

Do these sound right for my stats? What is a good amount for first cycle?

I do trust my source so I'm not worried about quality and these are the prices that I was given. Do they sound correct or shall I look elsewhere?

Test400 400mg/10cc $200
Deca300 300mg/10cc $200
Test Enth. 200mg/10cc $125
Test Cyp. 200mg/10cc $125
Test Prop. 100mg/10cc $100
Winny- 10mg tabs- $2 a tab
Clenbeuterol $1 a pill
Cytomel $1 a pill
Equipose 200mg/10cc $150
Dbol 10mg- 100 for $150
25mg- 100 for $300
Anadrol -$3.50 a pill
Clomid- 30 tabs for $90

I really appreciate all your time helping me out on this! Thanks!

**dansteelman** · 02-13-2003, 09:19 PM

THOSE PRICES ARE VERY VERY HIGH! Im assuming they are QV, correct? I need to reiterate that you will be gettin raped and charge 1.5 times. Is this a net source, or gym source? if its gym the prices are about right.

**BluEyedClubr** · 02-13-2003, 09:23 PM

It's a gym source - a guy I grew up with when I was younger that I found out was a source now a days when I moved back in to town after being gone for years. What kind of prices should I expect to pay? Thanks!

**dansteelman** · 02-13-2003, 09:28 PM

Test400 400mg/10cc ????
Deca300 300mg/10cc $110
Test Enth. 200mg/10cc $40
Test Cyp. 200mg/10cc $65
Test Prop. 100mg/10cc $40
Winny- 10mg tabs- $1.00
Clenbeuterol $.50 a pill
Cytomel ??
Equipose 200mg/10cc $70
Dbol 10mg- 100 for $40
25mg- 100 for ???
Anadrol -??
Clomid- 30 tabs for $30

I entered question marks for ones i didnt know (i dont pay attention to the once im not considering using) and the new values for the other one. Thats about what you should be paying. As far as cycle, run this

Test Ent 500Wk 1-12
EQ 400Wk 1-12
Prop 100MG EOD 1-4
Winny 50 ED 12-16

Clomid. Use the winny when you have stopped EQ and test to maintain gains and be able to start clomid after last shot.

**sphinks** · 02-13-2003, 09:32 PM

Just to give you a idea,for a box of clomid runs me $30
1000 tabs 5mg dbol ,runs about $300
your being shafted by a friend,that sucks man...

**BluEyedClubr** · 02-13-2003, 09:35 PM

So Am I better telling this guy to bug off and get myself a source online? Is that my best bet is what you are saying? I really appreciate the heads up!

**dansteelman** · 02-13-2003, 09:38 PM

yeah, we cant give out sources here...but look around..they arent TOO hard to find.

**BluEyedClubr** · 02-13-2003, 09:43 PM

No No - Don't worry - not tryin to find sources on here - that's too sketchy - I already have connections for that as well but I knew this guy better so I didn't think he'd rip me off. Guess I was wrong? That does def suck to find this out. I had someone else tell me these prices looked right but I wanted to get more opinions.

As for my stats and pics - do you think I'm a good candidate for a first cycle?

**MBaraso** · 02-13-2003, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by dansteelman
Test400 400mg/10cc ????
Deca300 300mg/10cc $110
Test Enth. 200mg/10cc $40
Test Cyp. 200mg/10cc $65
Test Prop. 100mg/10cc $40
Winny- 10mg tabs- $1.00
Clenbeuterol $.50 a pill
Cytomel ??
Equipose 200mg/10cc $70
Dbol 10mg- 100 for $40
25mg- 100 for ???
Anadrol -??
Clomid- 30 tabs for $30

I entered question marks for ones i didnt know (i dont pay attention to the once im not considering using) and the new values for the other one. Thats about what you should be paying. As far as cycle, run this

Test Ent 500Wk 1-12
EQ 400Wk 1-12
Prop 100MG EOD 1-4
Winny 50 ED 12-16

Clomid. Use the winny when you have stopped EQ and test to maintain gains and be able to start clomid after last shot.

That's a bit much for a first cycle and too long IMO.
If you wanna bulk go w/ something like:
week 1-4 d-bol 30mgs ed
Week 1-10 Test E 400 or 500mgs
Week 1-10 Eq 400mgs
Clomid

Obviously a cutting cycle would be different:
Week 1-10 Eq 400mgs
Week 5-10 Winny 50mgs ed
Clomid
Clen or Hydroxycut etc...

**redrumkev** · 02-13-2003, 11:40 PM

Test400 400mg/10cc $75
Deca300 300mg/10cc $110
Test Enth. 200mg/10cc $65
Test Cyp. 200mg/10cc $65
Test Prop. 100mg/10cc $40
Winny- 10mg tabs- ??? - only inject
Clenbeuterol - 50 for $25.
Cytomel $45 for 100
Equipose 200mg/10cc $60
Dbol 10mg- 100 for ???
25mg- 100 for ???
Anadrol - Friend just paid $60 for 50
Clomid- 30 tabs for $35

You are getting raped!

**redrumkev** · 02-13-2003, 11:45 PM

This is good
week 1-4 d-bol 30mgs ed
Week 1-10 Test E 400 or 500mgs
Week 1-10 Eq 400mgs
Clomid

My 1st was:
Wk 1-10 T-400 - 400mg/wk
Wk 1-5 Deca 300 - 300mg/wk
Wk 6-10 Deca 300 - 450mg/wk
Clomid

I am 6'2 - was 208 precycle - blew up to 234 during the cycle (26 pounds) - lost a little fat and the water - to leave me at 222 now, and that was 2 months ago. So I kept about 14 soild pounds, not bad, most get 12-22 and keep i would say 50-70% of that (some more some less). Go with any of the recommendations - train hard - eat good (lots of protein with the bulking) and GROW GROW GROW!!!

**BluEyedClubr** · 02-14-2003, 06:15 AM

I've seen that none of you guys have mentioned taking winny - is there a reason I wouldn't want to at the end?

**dansteelman** · 02-14-2003, 10:29 AM

Its a possibility if you really want to. Extend the winny 4 weeks past the test so you can start your clomid 12 hours after last injection or pill.

**MBaraso** · 02-14-2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by dansteelman
Its a possibility if you really want to. Extend the winny 4 weeks past the test so you can start your clomid 12 hours after last injection or pill.

You'd start winny 3 weeks after the last shot of test.
The reason why some ppl (including me) run winny 3 weeks past is because that way you can go straight into clomid 2 days out like Dan said. That way there's no "grey area".
Winny will harden up your gains and IMO it helps retain gains