Diet question while on cycle
Been reading as much as I can on this (hard to find, try searching for diet or 'diet on cycle'...tons of junk in there). So what better than just ask away?
Prior to my cycle I lost quite a bit of weight...my diet (when fat) consisted of 1 to 2 meals a day and LOTs of mountain dew. Well, to lose weight I upped it to 4 smaller meals a day, DIET soda and plenty of water. Got pretty used to eating this way and really thinned out.
So then I began this cycle of sust/deca 1-10 followed by winny and usual clomid therapy. My current diet looks like this (week 4 in this cycle):
7:00 - 1 pouch of oatmeal w/protein powder
10:00 - protein shake
1:00 - chicken ceasar salad, a roll...might switch with fish or steak.
3:00 - protein shake
5:00 - workout at gym (usually drink a carb drink there) followed by post workout shake
9:00 - 2 chicken breasts (skinless, marinated)
11:00 - protein shake (muscle milk), maybe a lowfat yogurt then crash for the night
I realize there's a LOT of shaking goin on in there - but it seems to be the easiest way for me to keep up the intake of protein without eating 'dirty' foods.
So here's my question: Is there some way I can tell whether my protein/carb/calorie intake is 'good enough' during cycle? Most of what I've read seems to lean that taking in 5-6000 calories is good but that is pretty generic. Weighing in at 177, 5'10 and age 30 - not sure if that's what I need.
Being on a cycle and NOT getting enough of the 3 above, would I feel a certain way? Tired all the time? Or is it pretty much a hit or miss with the only way to tell being examining results post cycle?
If there IS literature on this which helps please point me in the 'right direction' and I'd be happy to go research it rather than waste anyone's time...
Slyp
Re: Diet question while on cycle
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Originally posted by Slypknot
7:00 - 1 pouch of oatmeal w/pro-tein powder
10:00 - pro-tein shake
1:00 - chicken ceasar salad, a roll...might switch with fish or steak.
3:00 - pro-tein shake
5:00 - workout at gym (usually drink a carb drink there) followed by post workout shake
9:00 - 2 chicken breasts (skinless, marinated)
11:00 - pro-tein shake (muscle milk), maybe a lowfat yogurt then crash for the night
slyp
Start by counting up the calories you’re intaking now... so you know, better yet so you have a reference. Log your intake for a week every day. You might be surprised if your even intaking 2500 cals. Your diet above doesn't really mean anything unless you put it in grams, so we can calculate your pro-tein/carb/fat intake... You should be steadily increasing your calories with your growth. The point I make is not so much towards calories but grams per body weight. Every one must find their maintenance if the going to chart a good plan of lean growth. This is the one thing I tell people when training. If you’re training hard and using AS your appetite should start to kick you in the ass. If your not steadily increasing in maintenance calories each year I'm sorry to say you’re not growing. You have to feed the newly add mass... simply put.
The physical way to tell if you’re getting the proper nutrients is through bodily functions. Problems with fatigue, headaches, cramping, urination & defecation. All can be caused by not enough water consumption, not enough complex carbs, poor mineral and vitamin intake. Alot of seemingly simple or minor issued problems can be attributed to diet. If you feel great, work out great, have lots of energy that is the most physical sign with out going to a quack that you’re doing good diet wise. As far as literature you should first begin by learning how your body uses each nutrient such as Carbs/Protein/Fat. It takes time to understand nutrition, but the basics can lead you to success
growth spit by me... its not about bulking though, I may need to revise if thats how its interpreted. Its about sufficent grams per lb to grow:
http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...postid=402062#
Water spit by me... just a comment about water
http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...threadid=42148
That's not the case for all bro
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Originally posted by Cock Diesel155
Just eat man.. Your metabolism is so high you don't have to worry about getting fat.
That's not the case for all bro. Yes your metabolism is operating at a higher rate but that doesn't mean you wont get fat. I believe the best lean growth comes from just over the individual’s maintenance intake of cals. Unless you know how to really lean with out losing major muscle mass just eating everything in site won’t work for you. I'm gonna go out on a limb a say, I estimate about 85% of the people that say they're bulking have never dieted down to under 6% BF. And most associate bulking by eating what they call a shit load. What is a shit load and how much? Ya know. Do you mean 8000 cals and I wont stop until I'm 30lbs heavier then I will lean down with a goal of keeping 15lb of muscle and BF of 6%. Everyone is different and 5000 cals might be too much. You must have a goal and you have to track that goal. A large amount of lean mass comes from a clean calculated diet just above maintenance level. And maintenance level is hard to figure when you already have a lot of BF. So the best thing to do is to lean to 10%BF or under and gage your cal intake to bodily function anomalies.
Even if Bulking most individuals including my self never stay at that 25% BF increased weight long enough; long enough for your body to reach the muscle maturity at your prospected diet down weight. You probably know this but the bro asking above may not and say just eat wont guide the bro, ya know…
Re: That's not the case for all bro
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Originally posted by mmaximus25
That's not the case for all bro. Yes your metabolism is operating at a higher rate but that doesn't mean you wont get fat. I believe the best lean growth comes from just over the individual’s maintenance intake of cals. Unless you know how to really lean with out losing major muscle mass just eating everything in site won’t work for you. I'm gonna go out on a limb a say, I estimate about 85% of the people that say they're bulking have never dieted down to under 6% BF. And most associate bulking by eating what they call a shit load. What is a shit load and how much? Ya know. Do you mean 8000 cals and I wont stop until I'm 30lbs heavier then I will lean down with a goal of keeping 15lb of muscle and BF of 6%. Everyone is different and 5000 cals might be too much. You must have a goal and you have to track that goal. A large amount of lean mass comes from a clean calculated diet just above maintenance level. And maintenance level is hard to figure when you already have a lot of BF. So the best thing to do is to lean to 10%BF or under and gage your cal intake to bodily function anomalies.
Even if Bulking most individuals including my self never stay at that 25% BF increased weight long enough; long enough for your body to reach the muscle maturity at your prospected diet down weight. You probably know this but the bro asking above may not and say just eat wont guide the bro, ya know…
Your right.. Sometimes I forget that everyone's body IS different.. Good post bro.