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04-21-2003, 05:15 PM #41Originally posted by BIG-G
Great posts but now im paranoid. Im waiting for my nolvadex to arrive as we speak,(give it a week). My nipps r gettin sensative and even puffy. Armidex is way out of budget range so i got 100 tabs of nolv commin in. Great info from u bros!!
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04-22-2003, 09:01 PM #42
great post guys. This is why i love this site, info I can use!!
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06-06-2003, 12:33 PM #43Junior Member
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this is what posting is all about!
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06-06-2003, 01:09 PM #44
One of the best posts I have read.
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06-07-2003, 05:39 PM #45
great post.
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06-07-2003, 07:18 PM #46
Wow..so much misinformation in this thread lmfao!
Where to start...
Deca DOES NOT aromatize to Progesterone, but can to dihydronandrolone, which is a weak AR agonist. Deca is also weakend by the 5AR
Nandrolone
Both prolactin and progesteron receptors can be found in the mammary gland and can cause gyno, but it is rarer than from estrogen. IGF-1 can also cause gyno, and most AAS raise levels.
So if you take an anti-e, it can help. As I just said, Prog is an E2 agonist which could lead to gyno, lower the E2 lower the chances of that happening.
There is also the explanation (which seems rather fictional to me) that since anti-e slightly lower IGF-1, this can help fight gyno.
Since Prog may be a Prolactin agonist, Cabergoline (dostinex) may block that area.
Then there is the winstrol
Bromo sucks. Dostinex is so much better.
Dostinex with Aromasin and you should have no worries about any gyno caused by 19nor substances.
Sorry if I dont post my sources, but this is pretty much common knowledge from the field I study and I just dont feel like it to be honest.
My advice, when lookin up answers, you have to stay away from biased sites. Especially ones on HRT...so much incorrect stuff its pathetic
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07-15-2003, 03:02 PM #47Associate Member
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Can the bromocriptine or Dopergin be found at any of the research sites? If so, what are the products called that contain them?
Thanks.
Hella post by the way.
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07-15-2003, 03:05 PM #48Associate Member
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Er . . . now I've read Billy's post. Can you get the Dostinex and Aromasin from any of the research sites?
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07-15-2003, 06:50 PM #49Senior Member
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Billy,
You’ve cleared up alot... I don’t think you need to give sources but It would be interesting to know what field you study since you say it is pretty much common knowledge... Do you study in an endocrinology field? I think we can use your scenario to find documented data so we can accomplish the point of the thread... I think we were attempting to solidify an answer to a problem and not just offer undocumented knowledge as its been done so many times... So you see we are still not done... The best input so far though...
I'm not saying that I disagree In fact your scenario makes alot of sense as to why people just say deca converts to progesterone... I also feel that the high levels of estrogen and a dysfunctional HPTA contributing to screwed up hormonal messages, then without the use of proper anti-e's and anti-aromo's have more to do with suffering from Gyno than anything...
I've never taken Dostinex and I wonder does it come with the same sides as bromo and Dopergin?
I don’t have tons of money but I found Dopergin and nolvadex not as a prevention but treatment for my gyno worked very well. The Dopergin was considerably less than Dostinex or bromo and I took the smallest dose one tab broken in quarters 4 times a day along with 40 to 60mg of nolvadex... My treatment lasted for 4 weeks before my sides occurred and that’s when I lowered my dosage and began cycling my treatments. Again I say not as prevention but treatment my combo worked extremely well...
As for prevention not treatment, do you thing liquidex and Dopergin along with nolvadex serve just as well. I look at things as far as pocket book also.... other wise it would be everything top notch, ya know...
Gettin old these drugs are sold by the stated name.
Dopergin contains: Lisuride Hydrogen Maleate
Dostinex contains: Cabergoline
Bromocriptine contains: bromocriptine mesylate
I happen to go to Mexico and grab my Dopergin but maybe some else can PM you with where you can pick what you’re looking for... so I'll bump
Originally Posted by Billy_Bathgate
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07-16-2003, 04:10 PM #50
Goto PubMed.com and search in key words you are interested in and you can find most of the studies I have seen before on the issues. Ive seen them and read them before, as well as in text books, so I know they are out there if you want to find them bad enough.
Other than that, Im studying medicine and currently am running a lab at one of the top drug companies in the world. (PM if your dying to know where, I wont publicly post it though). Im not in endocrinology, emergency medicine. But on the side call it my "minor" so to speak. Diabetes, hypothyroidism, and low test counts all run in my family, so Ive had an interest in the field way before I ever came on the boards or was into lifting really. lol, common knowledge was me just being a smart ass.
Most of my info is straight from biochem classes / books though.
Dostinex...goto Yahoo! and type it. Youll find lots of pharmacies that carry it. Its not controlled and you will find it along with Viagra, as it greatly increases sex drive. I got mine from samples by different doctors. .5mg E3D is plenty really, so it may be expensive for 4mg, but realise thats a months worth.
Ive done bromo and dostinex. I hated bromo, felt like shit. Havent had any sides with dostinex though. Sex drive alone is worth it to me and the girlfriend Off the top of my head, I think dostinex half life is about 4 days, could be wrong though.
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07-16-2003, 04:13 PM #51As for prevention not treatment, do you thing liquidex and Dopergin along with nolvadex serve just as well. I look at things as far as pocket book also.... other wise it would be everything top notch, ya know...
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07-16-2003, 05:20 PM #52
so dostinex will help against deca gyno...what about fina??????????
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07-16-2003, 06:18 PM #53Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Billy_BathgateOriginally Posted by Billy_Bathgate
Since I've never used Dostinex I would like to get some input so the wrong info is not sent out. I will be experimenting with the Dos very soon though....
THX for the response..
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07-17-2003, 02:34 PM #54Originally Posted by Gettin'Old
~PNS~
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07-17-2003, 03:10 PM #55Originally Posted by PumP~N~Swole
if anyone has any info please pm me please...and pump too
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07-17-2003, 03:16 PM #56
Use Yahoo!
Seriously, TYPE "BUT BROMOCRYPTINE" or "BUY DOSTINEX"
Its not controlled, it should be very easy for anyone to find with using Yahoo!
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07-17-2003, 03:39 PM #57
Thanks Billy...
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07-17-2003, 05:59 PM #58Junior Member
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Great info!
I have gyno bad on my left side. Currently taking Liqua-Letro and Nolva.
Mmaximus, is Liqua letro and Liqua Dex similar? If I would have read this post prior I would have bought the Liqua Dex. Should I get some Liqua Dex also? I was told Liqua Letro and Ferama were the same.
Also I know this is against board protocal but if anyone has a tested site for proviron pls PM me the URL...
BUMP!! Best info. I have read yet!
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07-17-2003, 06:02 PM #59Junior Member
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Man I will do both if it will help..
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07-23-2003, 03:12 PM #60Junior Member
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07-23-2003, 03:25 PM #61Senior Member
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I have used bromo when using deca in the past and it does the job fine, i have taken armidex while on a deca cycle and got worried cause I felt I was getting symptoms of gyno so I started using bromo if deca was involved and have always been satisfied with it, I have read in the past that liquidex,armidex will counter estrogen levels which will hinder gains but at the same time prevent gyno and bromo counters progestorone which also hinders gains cause when I take bromo it takes my appetite away. I hope this helps a little
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07-23-2003, 04:08 PM #62Originally Posted by Grand_Cannons
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07-24-2003, 03:44 PM #63Anabolic Member
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