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    Eye opener with the age and allowing ur body to develop. Nice post

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    this thread made me realize that i should wait until im 25-26.I dont want to put my body more of a higher risk of side effects. In the meantime I'll just stick with my good ole creatine

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    i always thought test levels were at your highest at 21 but 25 sounds good to me

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    I wonder what made you bump this thread Marcus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    I wonder what made you bump this thread Marcus!
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    LOL. quite few lately hah!

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    Been wanting to cycle since I was 17 as i've always been bigger and stronger than others my age lol. but good read, just gotta peak out natty now lol

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    patience is a virtue! there is no way around it, to do it right you got to let your body mature naturally and reach its potential, then consider AAS.

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    Great text!

    Hopefully everyone who considers use of AAS under the age of 25 reads this.

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    Incredible, and informative article!! Thank you so much! This gives me a LOT of food for thought!

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    What about only doing 1 or max 2 every 1 or 2 years. I'm 19 and have been researching into steroids for about 6 months, I want to get a head start in the fitness world and instead of achieving my goals in 5 years, i could achieve them in 2/3 years. Yes people may call that cheating, but life is too short and i want to get as far as possible as early as possible, so if i just done an 8 week bulking cycle and an 8 week cutting cycle each once a year, that shouldn't be messing with my hormones too much should it? I would think over using would bite you in the back. Also my next point, the golden age of bodybuilding.. all the living legends, they abused steroids from a young age and are all still healthy and still lifting with no known health issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebambi View Post
    What about only doing 1 or max 2 every 1 or 2 years. I'm 19 and have been researching into steroids for about 6 months, I want to get a head start in the fitness world and instead of achieving my goals in 5 years, i could achieve them in 2/3 years. Yes people may call that cheating, but life is too short and i want to get as far as possible as early as possible, so if i just done an 8 week bulking cycle and an 8 week cutting cycle each once a year, that shouldn't be messing with my hormones too much should it? I would think over using would bite you in the back. Also my next point, the golden age of bodybuilding.. all the living legends, they abused steroids from a young age and are all still healthy and still lifting with no known health issues.
    I would say pm me so we can talk, cuz I am in the spot as you. But first you have to get 50 posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgrayson60 View Post
    I would say pm me so we can talk, cuz I am in the spot as you. But first you have to get 50 posts
    You shouldn't be offering anyone advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by ickythump View Post

    You shouldn't be offering anyone advice

    Lol man get off of me, any advice I would give would be directly from research articles I find! And I would give them a source to where I learned my info. You are new to this site to, careful when injecting I wouldn't want you to lose to much blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgrayson60 View Post
    Lol man get off of me, any advice I would give would be directly from research articles I find! And I would give them a source to where I learned my info. You are new to this site to, careful when injecting I wouldn't want you to lose to much blood.
    Too* and uhh, everyone has questions that's why they're here, no one said your question about working the injected muscle was dumb so don't insinuate my questions are dumb....also, if you had read the thread you SHOULD have said I wouldn't want you to lose too much TEST, but hey, I know you obviously just breezed thru tofind some dirt, I commend the effort......anyhow, I highly doubt you have any worthwhile info that need to be pm'd, why can't you just post your info??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgrayson60 View Post
    I would say pm me so we can talk, cuz I am in the spot as you. But first you have to get 50 posts
    please no one listen to this kid, he doesn't know anything about what he is going to do to his body and he can obtain his goals naturally if only he had the mentality to properly train correctly and understand foods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebambi View Post
    What about only doing 1 or max 2 every 1 or 2 years. I'm 19 and have been researching into steroids for about 6 months, I want to get a head start in the fitness world and instead of achieving my goals in 5 years, i could achieve them in 2/3 years. Yes people may call that cheating, but life is too short and i want to get as far as possible as early as possible, so if i just done an 8 week bulking cycle and an 8 week cutting cycle each once a year, that shouldn't be messing with my hormones too much should it? I would think over using would bite you in the back. Also my next point, the golden age of bodybuilding.. all the living legends, they abused steroids from a young age and are all still healthy and still lifting with no known health issues.
    Bud these guys die all the time, most people refer to Arnold who will openly say he messed up, he has health ailments, bypasses and such....also, it will affect your system, it can after one cycle....8 weeks is mostly useless with most steroids in terms of gains but they all shut you down quick....put it this way, if you get results, your hpta will be shut down, and may never re start the same way.........science, not broscience....besides, at your age I was almost built like I am now, but after a lengthy set back, it took a long time to get here as I am less testosterone fueled than I wasten years ago, keep that stuff in mind bubba

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    Quote Originally Posted by ickythump View Post

    Bud these guys die all the time, most people refer to Arnold who will openly say he messed up, he has health ailments, bypasses and such....also, it will affect your system, it can after one cycle....8 weeks is mostly useless with most steroids in terms of gains but they all shut you down quick....put it this way, if you get results, your hpta will be shut down, and may never re start the same way.........science, not broscience....besides, at your age I was almost built like I am now, but after a lengthy set back, it took a long time to get here as I am less testosterone fueled than I wasten years ago, keep that stuff in mind bubba
    Your right man, I'm sorry I dont know what got in to me. Sorry for making fun of you. When really I am making fun of myself. You guys are just trying to talk sense in me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgrayson60 View Post
    Your right man, I'm sorry I dont know what got in to me. Sorry for making fun of you. When really I am making fun of myself. You guys are just trying to talk sense in me.
    That was surprisingly mature from a young person.....like it's been said, you should simply wait, if you don't, all the tools you need are here but I wouldn't expect any input from most people, largely because no one wants to feel responsible when someone messes themselves up...

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    Great advice, but unfortunany a lot of people my age don't seem to realize how great this advice really is. I appreciate you taking the time to post this. Although this advice might not be takin by everyone my age at least it's here for the people who really care about their health and bodies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDwamn View Post
    Great advice, but unfortunany a lot of people my age don't seem to realize how great this advice really is. I appreciate you taking the time to post this. Although this advice might not be takin by everyone my age at least it's here for the people who really care about their health and bodies!
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    Thanks Marcus,

    I'm simply trying to familiarize myself with this information now so later down the road should I decide to experiment with aas I will know my risks and how to minimize them while getting the most out of my cycle. I also realize there is a lot of great information to be taken from te threads that I can apply to my training now. (nutrition, routines, ect,) Are there any threads that you would recommend?

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    Thanks for posting!

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    Thanks for clearing this up. I will definitely postpone me going on a cycle for atleast a couple years. I've been training for about 3-4 years, and it is very frustrating to not get the results you want. Recently, I noticed my scoliosis is coming back. This coupled with my knee tendinosis (degrading of the knee tendon) has made me search for anabolics to try to grow my tendons and muscles back to their norm. hGH and IGF-1 would surely help my knee recover quickly with a good training program and diet. But after all of this research lately, I think I'll keep training with my 5x5 program and keep squatting. I'll be back on this forum in a few years.

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    Great read. I'm 22 and this has got me thinking.

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    This post is very useful for newbie.

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    great read! i believe theirs curtain circumstances like if a athlete is trying to play pro ball or something and is willing to take the risk.

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    This is exactly what I needed to read. Thanks a lot Marcus!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bcurt View Post
    This is exactly what I needed to read. Thanks a lot Marcus!!
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    I'd like to see one of these for 40-50+ year olds. Being that old has to cause more difficulties with restarting the HPTA that struggles to produce the same amount of test/GH/LH and other hormones each year. Anyone ever think of this?

    *Obviously this takes "development" of the equation tho.

    Food for thought hmmm, maybe some of the guys on TRT linked to steroid use had this caused by their last cycle, not their first at a young age. Or you know just plain old abuse and bad protocol. I'm not knocking the post at all, just tossing out other view points on certain things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesah1 View Post
    I'd like to see one of these for 40-50+ year olds. Being that old has to cause more difficulties with restarting the HPTA that struggles to produce the same amount of test/GH/LH and other hormones each year. Anyone ever think of this?

    *Obviously this takes "development" of the equation tho.

    Food for thought hmmm, maybe some of the guys on TRT linked to steroid use had this caused by their last cycle, not their first at a young age. Or you know just plain old abuse and bad protocol. I'm not knocking the post at all, just tossing out other view points on certain things.
    40 and 50 year olds have already approached or approaching late onset hypogonadism. Restarting HPTA is the last thing on their mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    40 and 50 year olds have already approached or approaching late onset hypogonadism. Restarting HPTA is the last thing on their mind.
    You lost me there. Are you implying HCG and not PCT is their primary concern bc it prevents/reverts hypogonadism?

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    Great post! Thank you for the valuable information.
    I am 21 y.o. and I started an anadrol 50 cycle 5 days ago (my first cycle ever). After reading this article I am now going to stop and wait until I am at least 24-25 years old or maybe I will never use again.
    I made substantial strength gains over the past 5 days and have gained a couple pounds but I cannot tell if it is a placebo or if it is a result of the drol. Is it possible that my gains have been a result of using drol for only 5 days? I am not stacking with any other steroids .

    Also, can taking drol for only 5 days have an effect on my test levels in the future? I do not want to screw around with my hormones and that is why I decided to stop taking them as soon as i read this article. Should I be worried even though I stopped my cycle after 5 days?

    sorry for the noobish questions

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    We have a lot of young members at the moment thinking they know everything about steroids and its the answer to their dreams. It use to annoy me but now I laugh because I know exactly what they going to go through and believe me low test is like living every day in hell being anally abused
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    I think this should be pretty clear for most people. Athletes do the best in that age range naturally: 18-25. That is the prime age for top natural performance. So that should say something about bodybuilding as well. I would also presume this is the prime age to gain muscle naturally. I am no scientist however and so even at the maximum natural ability to gain muscle, there will always be more growth opportunity synthetically via AAS. So the question really just becomes- what age are you done developing so you don't 'stunt' your growth and regret it later on. That seems to be the main thing, just making sure you are done growing genetically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse4466 View Post
    I think this should be pretty clear for most people. Athletes do the best in that age range naturally: 18-25. That is the prime age for top natural performance. So that should say something about bodybuilding as well. I would also presume this is the prime age to gain muscle naturally. I am no scientist however and so even at the maximum natural ability to gain muscle, there will always be more growth opportunity synthetically via AAS. So the question really just becomes- what age are you done developing so you don't 'stunt' your growth and regret it later on. That seems to be the main thing, just making sure you are done growing genetically.
    If your done growing naturally then a cycle will be paying $ to look good for/ enhance performance for x amount of months and then risking all the above effects (except being young and making things all crazy super fcked up apparently) just to come back to your genetic potential which 99% people will probably never reach unless you locked them in a gym with a kitchen for 10 years and then gave them a perfect nutrition plan, training regime and a Tempurpedic mattress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    please no one listen to this kid, he doesn't know anything about what he is going to do to his body and hecan obtain his goals naturally if only he had the mentality to properly train correctly and understand foods.
    Do you honestly think that someone like myself can look like someone like Batista naturally? Even with proper diet and training? Pfft, sure, whatever.
    I understand what you're getting at, but I have my doubts

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalignantTyrant View Post
    Do you honestly think that someone like myself can look like someone like Batista naturally? Even with proper diet and training? Pfft, sure, whatever.
    I understand what you're getting at, but I have my doubts
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    most people my age will just say, yeah whateva..
    so i would recommend putting down both options, let them know the details of ages n effects but also give them a cycle that they can use, and if they use properly they will not be in the way of any harm, i know people who supply heavy anabolics for first time users. i recommend just put up a cycle, very easy to understand as if a 12yr old was reading, including how much to eat, what to eat and what not to eat for either gaining just muscle, just bulk or inbetween,(sounds bad) but its better than getting it from black market and having no idea of whats happening. thankyou.

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