fun little exercise...

**monstercojones** · 03-03-2003, 12:13 AM

lets see who can come up with a perfect bulking cycle, and a perfect cutting cycle. lets assume that the user has a few cycles under his belt. I want to see what everybody thinks, im trying to promote intelligent discussion here.

mine....

bulking

Liquidex .5 mg ED
1-4 Dbol 40 mg ED
1-12 Test Enth 750 mg EW
1-12 Deca 500 mg EW
8-13 Fina 75 mg ED

proper supps and clomid, bromo, nolva etc...

cutting- never had to do it, so i really have no experience to draw from...

but i'd say

1-12 Clen cycled with xenadrine every 2 weeks
4-12 Fina 75 mg ED
1-12 Primo 600 mg EW
7-12 Winstrol 50 mg ED
1-24 GH 4 iu's ED (ideally, im never gonna afford that

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(Madmax, I know you're throwing Var in)

**daem** · 03-03-2003, 12:23 AM

i'd say both of those are pretty much top notch-cycles for either goal...deca dosage could be higher at 600mg/wk...you could also use anadrol in place of the dbol depending on how many cycles have been completed that used dbol...much of what is to be used is based on personal preference however both are good foundations.

**Dank1447** · 03-03-2003, 09:43 AM

you could also throw in eq in the utting cycle for some vascularity 400-600mg wk

**dizzle** · 03-03-2003, 09:47 AM

I've heard not to have deca and fina in the same cycle because of progesterone gyno.

**nj_** · 03-03-2003, 09:55 AM

I'd probably go with these...

Bulking:

wk 1-24 GH @ 4-6iu ED (working up higher if tolerable)
wk 1-12 1 amp of Sustanon EOD
wk 1-12 EQ @ 400mg/wk
wk 1-12 fina @ 160mg EOD (this can be upped to 200mg if tolerable)
wk 5-15 var @ 75-100mg ED
wk 1-12 aromasin @ 25mg ED
wk 1-12 HCG @ 500iu every saturday and sunday

with all appropriate ancillaries on hand.

Cutting:

wk 1-24 GH @ 4-6iu ED (working up higher if tolerable)
wk 1-12 Primo @ 600mg/wk
wk 4-14 var @ 75-100mg/ED
wk 6-14 fina @ 100mg EOD

with all appropriate ancillaries on hand.

These are just some personal preference partially as I am biased to fina & var.

**big N** · 03-03-2003, 10:03 AM

yea ,but hed oes have bromo in there for it .

**Madmax** · 03-03-2003, 10:35 AM

heres my next bulking a cutting...start the bulking in august and the cutting in may...these will be my last cycles....ever....they are pretty close to nj_'s.....Madmax...

sust 250 eod (1-12)
eq 500mg (1-12)
anavar 60mg ed (4-12)
fina 75mg ed (5-15)
hgh 6iu (1-24)
proviron 50mg ed (1-18)
ldex .5mg ed (1-18)
hcg 500 iu (14-15)

cutting:

var 75mg ed (1-10)
prop 75mg ed (1-10)
fina 75mg ed (1-10)
hgh 6 iu (1-20)

clomid and other antis on hand....

**MBaraso** · 03-03-2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Madmax
heres my next bulking a cutting...start the bulking in august and the cutting in may...these will be my last cycles....ever....they are pretty close to nj_'s.....Madmax...

sust 250 eod (1-12)
eq 500mg (1-12)
anavar 60mg ed (4-12)
fina 75mg ed (5-15)
hgh 6iu (1-24)
proviron 50mg ed (1-18)
ldex .5mg ed (1-18)
hcg 500 iu (14-15)

cutting:

var 75mg ed (1-10)
prop 75mg ed (1-10)
fina 75mg ed (1-10)
hgh 6 iu (1-20)
clomid and other antis on hand....

Make sure u take b 4 and after pics. You should look like a million dollars after something like that

**monstercojones** · 03-03-2003, 02:28 PM

max those look great... you're using your entire student loan on gear

nj_ - those cycles are really pretty, definately better than i came up with.

lets hear from some more people....

**nj_** · 03-03-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by monstercojones1
max those look great... you're using your entire student loan on gear

nj_ - those cycles are really pretty, definately better than i came up with.

lets hear from some more people....

Thanks. I do this a lot for friends and other people so its becoming second nature for me to design cycles.

**monstercojones** · 03-03-2003, 11:40 PM

bump for more

**Terinox** · 03-03-2003, 11:48 PM

I'm just gonna get really stupid here...

Bulking:

Weeks 1-5 = Anadrol @ 150mg/day
Weeks 1-14 = Sustanon @ 350mg/EOD
Weeks 1-14 = Equipose @ 200mg/EOD

Cutting:

Diet + Cardio

**RON** · 03-04-2003, 12:16 AM

well I'm not gonna get into HGH cause I would be able to afford it for quit a while. I also wanted to say that THESE ARE NOT FOR BEGINNERS

Bulking: simple but effective

a-dex .5 ed
1-5 Ref B 50mg ed
1-13 test Enath 1G/week
1-14 Eq 800mg/week

Cutting: this is a little more complicated but I've spent a little time on this.

day 1-3 day carb depletion 30-40 g of carbs a day

carb spike insulin spike and re-normalize T3 1 meal 250g @ 4-6pm on day 3

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4-5 200mg DNP (crystal)
6-13 400mg DNP
3500kcal 50%carb 35% protein Vitamin C: 2-3g/day
Lipoic acid: 600-1000mgs/day
multivite

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day 14-15 carb up to replenished glycogen levels in muscles
4000kcal carb 500g protein 250g

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Day 16 gear starts
Ldex .5 mg ed starting at as soon as DNP is over and thrue clomid
diet 2000kcal or below Protein 50% carb 30% fat 20%
1-7 var 50 mg
1-12 eq 100 ed mg
1-14 prop 100 ed
7-14 tren 75mg ed

**Juicifer** · 03-04-2003, 02:57 PM

i dont see many of you takin advantage of shorter acting esters like prop to kickstart and to finish cycles..so there is no screwing around periods...you can even totally replace the 17aa's w/ it but thats no fun

**monstercojones** · 03-04-2003, 03:03 PM

ron- nice "suicide cut" cycle.... if i ever go up to 35% bf i might get desperate enough to try that.

seriously though, very well planned out- it looks really good. why did you want to run the EQ a week longer than the test???? does eq take less time to clear for clomid therapy? ive read that before, but it was unsubstantiated.

**yellowviper** · 03-04-2003, 05:38 PM

include masteron in your cutting cycle if you can get your hands on it and see it do wonders......good luck

**RON** · 03-04-2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by monstercojones1
ron- nice "suicide cut" cycle.... if i ever go up to 35% bf i might get desperate enough to try that.

seriously though, very well planned out- it looks really good. why did you want to run the EQ a week longer than the test???? does eq take less time to clear for clomid therapy? Ive read that before, but it was unsubstantiated.

Thats the general idea with the Eq. I don't know if anyones ever actually proven that it works better but the theory seems sound so I try to stick with it.

I don't know about 35% but I am gonna see what it will do for 16-18% as soon as I'm healthy again. I hope 16% but I can feel the fat building

**BigGreen** · 03-04-2003, 07:41 PM

I by no means advocate its use, but if we're theoretically talking most effective cutter, how does one not piggyback it with dnp . Again, i don't think that's necessarily for beginners, intermediates, experts or anyone...but we're theorizing in a perfect world here, correct?