my first cycle, suggestions?

**dreamache** · 03-02-2003, 06:21 PM

ok guys, 1st post here. looks like a kickass board.

first off here are my basic stats...

20 yrs. old
173 lbs (lost 15 lbs 2 months ago cause of sickness, gaining it back tho)
6'0
i've been lifting for nearly 3 years

(pics about 8 months ago)

my ultimate goal is to have a build like this guy:

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ok. with that said... here is the cycle i'm looking into:

Dbol weeks 1-4 35mg ED
Deca weeks 1-10 300mg EW

now I wanna be sure i keep the gains so would you suggest clomid as well?

I don't want to go "ALL OUT" with an intense cycle, just looking for a nice beginner's cycle that'll get me familiar with the feeling and notice some nice gains that i can keep.

any suggestions / comments is appreciated!

**MBaraso** · 03-02-2003, 07:06 PM

You got a great base, actually you have more then a base, Good job.
IMO You should always look to make Test the base of any cycle. The dosage's of d-bol and deca are fine but You should use Test E @ 500mgs per week along w/ the deca. Yes u will need clomid at the end. And you'll need to have novledex on hand incase u start getting gyno.
One thing to think about though: Your only 20yrs old. I'm sure your still making gains naturally, so why not hold off for another year or two?
It's up to you bro. If you make that decision to cross over, make sure u educate yourself before you start. And if your are going to use...Wait till your back to 100%.
Goodluck,

**MBaraso** · 03-02-2003, 07:07 PM

Another thing: Judgeing by your lean build I think Eq would do u better then deca . Do a search on Eq cycles.

**Cock Diesel155** · 03-02-2003, 07:10 PM

Yeah if you wanna hold of you can.. You will still make gains since you have only lifted for 3 years.. But if you dont (which no one wants to so don't feel guilty) I would run:

Test E: 500mgs/wk
Deca : 400mgs/wk
Clomid
Thats a good base cycle.

**Cock Diesel155** · 03-02-2003, 07:11 PM

You can substitute the Deca for EQ, forgot to put that in..

**dreamache** · 03-02-2003, 07:12 PM

thanks mbaraso. definately, i've made considerable gains for the first 2 years of lifting but i think i'm at that point now where i won't be making any other significantly noticable gains... and i definately WON'T start using until i don't have any doubts about what i should do, and how i should do.

**dreamache** · 03-02-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Cock Diesel155
Yeah if you wanna hold of you can.. You will still make gains since you have only lifted for 3 years.. But if you dont (which no one wants to so don't feel guilty) I would run:

Test E: 500mgs/wk
Deca : 400mgs/wk
Clomid
Thats a good base cycle.

ok cool man. thanks.

keep the suggestions coming guys!

i'd like to have a good idea of what i should go with so keep um coming

**Cock Diesel155** · 03-02-2003, 07:23 PM

Hey bro no flame at all, but based on your pic's you CAN still grow more.. 3 years isnt really that long to be training.. But I know how ya feel so I figured i would go ahead and lay a cycle out for you. I know that no one ever wants to wait. But it does pay off if you do. With that being said go ahead and get some research done on several cycles if you wanna do one. Then let us know what you decided. I just gave you an example, you don't have to do that one.

**dreamache** · 03-02-2003, 07:35 PM

yeah, i appreciate it though. it IS a bitch though seeing everyone around ya giant while your a typical somebody in the gym. i figure if i find a nice beginner cycle it can't hurt too much to try.

**monstercojones** · 03-02-2003, 09:08 PM

if you do the cycle brock suggested, id throw in some dbols to giv it some gas...

**Decoder** · 03-02-2003, 10:58 PM

Hey dreamache do you modeling for Foley's kids clothes i swear i saw you.

**dreamache** · 03-03-2003, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Decoder
Hey dreamache do you modeling for Foley's kids clothes i swear i saw you.

lol and yes people, this is the prick who showed me the board

**dreamache** · 03-03-2003, 04:18 PM

ok well a few of you + some other people at different boards are tellin me to stay away from deca , and replace it with eq which is what i should do... allow me to search for eq cycles and i'll post it here once i found one.

**Diesel** · 03-03-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by dreamache
ok i also posted this same thread on freakzonline.com, i dont know how "valid" they are, but they're telling me to stay away from deca and replace it with eq...

opinions?

That is a personal choice.

Myself, I prefer EQ to deca any day.

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**Decoder** · 03-03-2003, 10:47 PM

i perfer deca over EQ, you're a vet? nice response put some info behind your anwser.

**Diesel** · 03-04-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Decoder
i perfer deca over EQ, you're a vet? nice response put some info behind your anwser.

OK, I have not been around for a while so we obviously do not know each other.
I could take your response two ways but I will give the benefit of the doubt and take it in a positive way.

I prefer EQ over Deca because I feel I keep a higher percentage of my gains once the cycle is over.

In addition, at 275 I do not feel the need to do exclusive bulking cycles.

As I said before, the EQ / Deca debate is a personal preference.

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