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    Comments on my 3rd cycle please

    i just wanted to get some feedback on the cycle i'm planning to take and what else i could include
    my main goal is to gain as much mass as possible

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    29 years old
    5'8
    190 lbs
    working out for 10 years

    First cycle

    Week 1-10 Test E @ 250mg/week
    Week 1-8 Deca @ 200mg/week
    Week 1-4 Dianabol ED @ 30/30/40/40 week
    Week 12-16 Clomid @ 100/50/50/50

    gained 25 lbs kept 15 of it
    broke out pretty bad on my face, back, chest

    2nd cycle

    Week 1-12 Test cyp @ 500mg/week
    Week 1-10 Deca @ 400mg/week
    Week 1-4 Dbol ED @ 30/30/50/50 week
    Week 14-18 Clomid @ 100/50/50/50

    gained 20 lbs kept 12 of it

    This is my 3rd cycle that i am planning to do

    Weeks 1-14 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-12 Deca @ 375mg/week
    Weeks 1-4 Anadrol ED @ 50/50/100/100
    Week 16-20 Clomid ED @ 100/50/50/50

    All my cycles seem to be pretty much the same but i'm gonna give anadrol instead of dbol. i heard that anadrol will give me better gains

    anything else i should stack to get maximum gains?

    thanks for your feedback

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    your pct should include 2 serms clomid and nolvadex other than that the cycle looks fine

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    no hcg ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warlord_wang View Post
    no hcg?
    i was thinking about running it also. at 500 iu with my PCT
    Last edited by gucci; 02-16-2011 at 12:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gucci View Post
    i was thinking about running it also. at 500 iu/ED with my PCT
    Try 1000iu once weekly during the cycle, pretty pointless letting your testes shutdown before doing something about IMO.
    PS, HCG is bi-phasic so a once weekly protocol is much more beneficial and you won't be wasting 2/3rds of your HCG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gucci View Post
    i was thinking about running it also. at 500 iu/ED with my PCT
    no run it during your cycle from week 2 until end of cycle you can 2 to 3 times a week dosed at 200iu to 250iu. Running hcg during pct is a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xeroxy View Post
    Try 1000iu once weekly during the cycle, pretty pointless letting your testes shutdown before doing something about IMO.
    PS, HCG is bi-phasic so a once weekly protocol is much more beneficial and you won't be wasting 2/3rds of your HCG.
    Half life of hcg is 3 to 4 days it would be better to shot atleast twice a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by warlord_wang View Post
    Half life of hcg is 3 to 4 days it would be better to shot atleast twice a week
    HCG doesen't have a half life as such, as i said it's bi-phasic causing a secondary peak between 48-72hrs and during this time the leydig cells are refractory to any further stimulation. So at most every 5th day would be ok otherwise you are just wasting HCG.

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    okay so here is the cycle updated

    Weeks 1-14 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-12 Deca @ 375mg/week
    Weeks 1-4 Anadrol ED @ 50/50/100/100
    Weeks 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 16-20 Clomid ED @ 100/50/50/50

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    okay so here is the cycle updated

    Weeks 1-14 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-12 Deca @ 375mg/week
    Weeks 1-4 Anadrol ED @ 50/50/100/100
    Weeks 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 16-20 Clomid ED @ 100/50/50/50

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    Quote Originally Posted by gucci View Post
    okay so here is the cycle updated

    Weeks 1-14 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-12 Deca @ 375mg/week
    Weeks 1-4 Anadrol ED @ 50/50/100/100
    Weeks 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 16-20 Clomid ED @ 100/50/50/50
    I would listen to MBMETC & add nolvadex it will help pct a lot more & a quick question how much hcg do you have?

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    i currently have 5000 iu of hcg but can get more if needed

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    alright you could take one 200iu at the end of week 1 so you could finish off all of your hcg because using 200iu twice a week for 12 weeks is 4800iu. Also do you have any AIs just in case shit goes south and gyno gets bad? Another question how much water are you drinking per day?

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    Also why didnt you go with prop? Your going to have to pin more but you could cut your cycle down to 12 weeks. You wouldn't need to use drol to kick start your cycle.

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    yes i'm going to have to do that with the hcy. i drink alot of water. i'm probably going to the washroom every 45 mins. id estimate about 4-5 liters a day.

    i don't want to do prop as i don't want to inject so often. but you are saying if i take prop i won't need to even take drol?

    i'm stacking everything and anything to gain maximum mass gain potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gucci View Post
    okay so here is the cycle updated

    Weeks 1-14 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-12 Deca @ 375mg/week
    Weeks 1-4 Anadrol ED @ 50/50/100/100
    Weeks 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 16-20 Clomid ED @ 100/50/50/50
    I can tell you from experience that 400iu p/w is nowhere near enough to maintain testicular function on that cycle. 1000iu shot once weekly is what i and all my clients use and it works very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gucci View Post
    yes i'm going to have to do that with the hcy. i drink alot of water. i'm probably going to the washroom every 45 mins. id estimate about 4-5 liters a day.

    i don't want to do prop as i don't want to inject so often. but you are saying if i take prop i won't need to even take drol?

    i'm stacking everything and anything to gain maximum mass gain potential.
    Yea basically, prop would kick in the first week & you would start seeing good weight gains by week 4. Most of the gains your going to get from drol is water weight. Because there is no way your going to gain 10 to 15 of lbm in 4 weeks your on drol when your test e & deca hasn't kicked in yet.Plus drol has a tendency to kill your appetite. I would go with test prop 100mg of test prop ed for 10 weeks with 30-40mg of dbol a day for 8 weeks.Or you could drop the oral completely & You should blow up like a tank on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by warlord_wang View Post
    Yea basically, prop would kick in the first week & you would start seeing good weight gains by week 4. Most of the gains your going to get from drol is water weight. Because there is no way your going to gain 10 to 15 of lbm in 4 weeks your on drol when your test e & deca hasn't kicked in yet.Plus drol has a tendency to kill your appetite. I would go with test prop 100mg of test prop ed for 10 weeks with 30-40mg of dbol a day for 8 weeks.Or you could drop the oral completely & You should blow up like a tank on that
    So an updated cycle that you would say is ideal is like this??

    Weeks 1-14 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-12 Deca @ 375mg/week
    Weeks 1-10 Test prop ED @ 100mg
    Weeks 1-4 Dbol ED @ 30/30/40/40
    Weeks 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 16-20 Clomid ED @ 100/50/50/50
    Nolva thoughout as needed.

    This kinda seems like alot and I'm afraid I'm going to break out with bad pizza face, back, chest and neck

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    Quote Originally Posted by gucci View Post
    So an updated cycle that you would say is ideal is like this??

    Weeks 1-14 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-12 Deca @ 375mg/week
    Weeks 1-10 Test prop ED @ 100mg
    Weeks 1-4 Dbol ED @ 30/30/40/40
    Weeks 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 16-20 Clomid ED @ 100/50/50/50
    Nolva thoughout as needed.

    This kinda seems like alot and I'm afraid I'm going to break out with bad pizza face, back, chest and neck
    Sorry I think you misunderstood my post, If your running test prop you wouldn't need to run test cyp. Its one or the other, if you can't take pinning eod or ed frontload the cycle with prop. I'll give you a few examples

    Week 1-6 Test prop 100mg ed @700mg/week
    Week 1-14 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
    Week 1-12 Deca @ 400mg/week
    Week 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 16-20 Clomid 100/50/50/50
    Week 16-20 Nolva 40/40/20/20
    or
    Week 1-14 Test prop 100mg ed @700mg/week
    Week 1-12 Deca @ 400mg/week
    Week 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 14-18 Clomid 100/50/50/50
    Week 14-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20
    or
    Week 1-14 Test prop 100mg ed @700mg/week
    Week 1-6 Dbol ED @ 30/30/30/30/40/40
    Week 2-14 HCG @ 200 iu 2 times a week
    Week 14-18 Clomid 100/50/50/50
    Week 14-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20

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    also with the last one i posted you could drop the dbol if you wanted & just run prop it's up to you.

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