As being a marijuana smoker...how will this effect me using sustanon&d-bol?will the pot hinder my gains?:unsure:
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As being a marijuana smoker...how will this effect me using sustanon&d-bol?will the pot hinder my gains?:unsure:
Not physically, but it could likely hinder your motivation.
Your alright bro. May people use. I have used it instead of painkillers to avoid any excess stress on my liver while on cycle... but like Innervision said don't let it keep you out of the gym... and avoid the munchies :)
It increases estrogen levels and decreases testosterone
FKITS- do you have any studies on this or anything? I have heard that as well, but have yet to read anything conclusive on the subject. I am very curious.
These might help.
posted by hhajdo at Steroidology
Although some studies show a slight decrease of LH immediately after smoking, it seems that chronic use doesn't have any impact.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1986 Jun;24(6):1749-54 Related Articles, Links
Acute effects of smoking marijuana on hormones, subjective effects and performance in male human subjects.
Cone EJ, Johnson RE, Moore JD, Roache JD.
Four healthy male subjects smoked two marijuana cigarettes or one marijuana cigarette and one placebo cigarette, or two placebo cigarettes on separate days in a random order crossover design. Each marijuana cigarette contained 2.8% delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Plasma hormones and THC were measured before and after each smoking session. Plasma LH was significantly depressed and cortisol was significantly elevated after smoking marijuana. Nonsignificant depressions of prolactin, FSH, testosterone and free testosterone and elevation of GH also occurred. Concurrent measures of subjective effects via subscales of the Addiction Research Center Inventory, Single Dose Questionnaire and a Visual Analog Scale were generally elevated. Significant impairment on a psychomotor performance task paralleled elevations in subjective effects, hormone effects and peak THC determinations. Although all the hormone effects were within normal basal ranges, interactions between these systems, and their effects on behavior cannot be discounted.
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J Pharmacol Exp Ther 1978 Nov;207(2):611-7 Related Articles, Links
Effects of chronic marihuana use on integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels.
Mendelson JH, Ellingboe J, Kuehnle JC, Mello NK.
Integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels were determined for 13 healthy adult males before, during and after a 21-day period of marihuana use. No significant relationships were found between antecedent or concurrent marihuana smoking and integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels. All values for all subjects obtained during the entire study were within normal limits for healthy adult males.
JohnnyB
Drug Alcohol Depend 1991 Aug;28(2):121-8 Related Articles, Links
Effects of chronic marijuana use on testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin and cortisol in men and women.
Block RI, Farinpour R, Schlechte JA.
Department of Anesthesia, College of Medicine, University of Iowa, Iowa City 52242.
To investigate possible effects of chronic marijuana use on reproductive and stress hormones, we assayed testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin, and cortisol in 93 men and 56 women with a mean (+/- S.E.) age of 23.5 +/- 0.4 years. Hormone values were compared among groups of subjects stratified according to frequency of marijuana use (frequent, moderate and infrequent; N = 27, 18, and 30, respectively) and non-using controls (N = 74). Chronic marijuana use showed no significant effect on hormone concentrations in either men or women.
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Am J Drug Alcohol Abuse 1975;2(2):269-75 Related Articles, Links
Plasma testosterone levels in healthy male marijuana smokers.
Cushman P Jr.
Plasma testosterone, FSH, and LH levels were obtained from 25 healthy consecutive heterosexual male mauijuana smoking university students. All values were within the range of normal and the means did not differ significantly from those of 13 normal controls. These data suggest that the casual marijuana smoker (at least one time weekly with an average of 5.1 joints per week) may have plasma testosterone levels which are normal for the time of day and the laboratory.
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Beitr Gerichtl Med 1990;48:57-66 Related Articles, Links
[Serum testosterone concentrations in cannabis and opiate users]
[Article in German]
Friedrich G, Nepita W, Andre T.
Institut fur Rechtsmedizin, Universitat Freiburg.
The object of this study was to establish possible influences of long-term cannabis usage on plasma testosterone levels. The plasma testosterone levels of 66 male Pakistani who for years had smoked cannabis daily or drank cannabis regularly where measured after chronic and acute intake of the drug and compared with a material of 41 normal controls, i.e. persons who did not use cannabis. An evaluation of the results showed that there were no significant differences between the two groups. No influence of long-term cannabis usage on plasma testosterone levels was found.Furthermore we wished to find out wether long-term heroin abuse showed an effect on plasma testosterone levels. The concentrations of testosterone in the plasma of 102 heroin addicts assigned to a Methadone Program were measured and compared with the values of 29 male healthy students as controls. Plasma testosterone levels were found to be significantly decreased in heroin addicts as compared to controls.
JohnnyB
i think getting toked before i work out helps me out alot.as long as your not an asshloe throwing weights around and i hate the dumbells all out of order [100lbs where the 45's should go].that trips me out the most.............billy
I smoke that crap and it makes me want to go to sleep.
I think there are far better things to do then weed.
can someone translate johnnyb's post for me.
It seems to be contridicting studies. But one that directly refers to smoking pot says "Plasma LH was significantly depressed and cortisol was significantly elevated after smoking marijuana." Meaning your body gives less of a signal to produce testosterone after smoking pot. And also becomes catabolic with elevated cortisol. Which could possibly be off setted with a post joint carb shake :DQuote:
Originally posted by skinnyhb
can someone translate johnnyb's post for me.
Smoking pot made me a tired SOB and a moto killer (I haven't smoked any for quite sometime now). I know of some who get active with it - but not me. I am all prolegal on the right to use it... but I personally have no desire for something that makes me a big lump. I'll drink alcohol - socially a few times - but nothing chronic. IMO - abuse of alcohol and pot smoking ain't gonna get you to your goals any faster...
if any time to smoke would only be after ur w.o to increase appetite but u must have the disipline to munhie out on steak! Could also smoke before bed, better sleep, but just my .02
This has been talked about before on here many times do a search and you will find all of the post on pot androids but pot does lower test
LOL:p what no protein:DQuote:
Originally posted by Warrior
Which could possibly be off setted with a post joint carb shake :D
JohnnyB
Man.... I treat a joint like a cigar. Save for special occasion, use sparingly... nothing like the cannibus parade to stomp all over your limbs and leave you feeling like a speed bump.
Sometimes before I lift I get high. It helps me concentrate on isolation. Then after I'm done lifting I have the munchie's and my Nitrotech doesn't taste like shit like it usually does.
What about progesterone induced gyno, from marijuana. Anyone have any thoughts on it?
JohnnyB