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12-05-2004, 10:13 PM #81Originally Posted by wolfyEVH
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12-10-2004, 05:26 AM #82Writer
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Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL
In other words, I don't know if he is making a judgement on the merits of using more vs. using less, but rather a judgement on the arguments presented. Only by proxy is he making a judgement on doses.
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12-10-2004, 08:58 AM #83Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by hooker
I'm glad you've presented your findings. I agree with the studies you've posted, however I do not agree with some of the conclusions you've drawn from those tests which are exaggerations of the conclusions of the actual studies.
My main point is that low dose cycles can create exceptional growth. Many people aren't aware that low dose cycles work as well as they do because too many people tell them "more is better" which is not always true.Last edited by BASK8KACE; 12-10-2004 at 09:08 AM.
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12-10-2004, 09:30 AM #84
I have been in this game 9 yrs and I have tried a lot of different amounts and I can say that the magic point for me is 500mg...Now everyone is different as we all know...so until you have tried different combinations you can't be certain how a cycle will turn out...jmho
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10-03-2005, 10:47 PM #85
Agree with hooker
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10-03-2005, 11:23 PM #86Writer
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Originally Posted by Tedbear981
Notably, anadrol produces no greater weight gain in studies examining 100mgs per day vs/ 150mgs per day. This is probably due to it's side effects on appetite, however, and not a reflection of it's anabolic actions, all things being equal.
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10-04-2005, 12:00 PM #87Senior Member
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Now I'm asking for your opinion hooker ... as you've already stated there's not a study to support extended claims.
Based on your personal experience, and your observations of others
1. Where do the gains start slowing down in terms of mg? 1000mg? 1500mg?
2. At what dosage do you predict that sides will be worse than the potential increase in gains?
3. How long do you think a "heavy" cycle can be ran for before the body stops producing gains relative to the risks?
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10-04-2005, 02:41 PM #88Writer
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(These answers will vary a bit from person to person, but are based on my experience and educated speculation based on the available medical data, as well as talking to others over the past 8 years of my using AAS)
1. Probably between those two numbers, yeah...the gains slow down at a reat of inverted proportion ie. they are slower proportionate to the more you use somewhere ...probably (my speculation) tapering off to the point where 5grams/week is going to be equal to 6 grams eventually.
2. I'd say after 2 grams...but thats for me. I know someone who is on like...3g/week and hasn't suffered any noticable or unacceptable sides. He has what I would consider pretty mediocre genetics for bodybuilding purposes, but an astonishingly good set of genes to resist side effects from androgens, apparently.
3. About 2-3 years. Many professionals (some of whom I've met) who have gone through the amateur ranks back in the early 90's, just before IGF, GH, and 'Slin were really in use, stayed on for about 3-5 years prior to earning their procards. You can of course look at some mediocre professionals (Dave Fisher, etc...) who came off for decent amounts of time between contests, but better ones who at least were in the middle of the pack (Jason Arntz, etc...) came off for less than a month (if at all) every year. I doubt most come off for more than that now. However, I think it depends on goals versus what you consider "acceptable risk." I know people who stay on an "HRT-Dose" of 300mgs/week all year, and then see pretty good gains when they up it to 500mgs and add in another compound (maybe tren , or some anavar ). For the average person ("I want to look good at the beach") I'd say that cycles shouldn't realistically go past 16 weeks or so, before they normalize their HPTA. For some women involved in the GDR sports doping program, they bailed out on cycles as low as 20mgs of Oral Turinabol per day. Jerzey was having some skin issues on her current cycle of Primo/Var, and was gonna bail on it...her var-only-cycle produced a little bit of skin issues on her last cycle, but nothing (that I personally found) unacceptable or that would be noticed by the average person (depending on what she was wearing, as it was only noticable at all on her back, if it was exposed). It depends on your sides, and what you think is an acceptable risk relative to your goals.
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10-04-2005, 03:25 PM #89Anabolic Member
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Hooker do you know the explanmation for this. My physiology book says sumin to this direction: testosterone has a very strong anabolic effect in skeletal muscle but it seems to stop after some weeks even if the dose is increased.
This goes hand in hand with what people say: at some point in their cycle will the exponential growth stop - they reach a plateau almost.
You have an explanation to this? Recetor regulation? Im kinda baffled over this cause keep reading many mixed signals from many sources..
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10-04-2005, 06:01 PM #92Originally Posted by stupidhippo
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10-04-2005, 09:27 PM #93Senior Member
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Bump Pinnacle, me too.
Hooker, thanks for indulging us with your opinion. I know you prefer to stick to facts...
Reiteratively, do you (hooker) believe that your first cycle IS necessarily your best opportunity for gains, and if so, are the subsequent ones less affective because the receptors are "desensitized" as so many believe? Or is it just that you are now further along in the BB process, so gains become increasingly difficult. Ie. if I had gotten to where I'm at naturally, would improving from where I'm at be irrespective of past AAS usage? I know, it's another opinion I'm asking for...
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10-04-2005, 11:44 PM #94Anabolic Member
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I for one didnt have so great gains from my first cycle - but then again I was lifting quite alot already naturally. Could ofcourse be that I am not so receptive to AAS. Dunno..
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10-04-2005, 11:48 PM #95Originally Posted by stupidhippo
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10-04-2005, 11:50 PM #96Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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10-05-2005, 06:39 AM #97Anabolic Member
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since i dont have that much experience I cant actually compare like u can.. I gained 20 lbs, still a mystery how much of it I'll keep. But comparing to many ppl I know my gains were fairly moderate. My dose was also wuite big: test 750 + deca 450 a week. The reason I went so high was cause the other cycle I did halfway (got sick in between and had to quit) was normal beginner doses n they just didnt work that well. Im a big guy though.. (275lbs)
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02-12-2006, 11:59 AM #98
Hi,
i'm new at this so I need some help? I am 24, I'm 6'0, with about 5-6% bodyfat. I have played baseball my whole life so im in good shape. I just graduated from college and this is my first year without baseball. I feel like I'm losing it a little bit. I don't want to take any big roids or no needles. I received 220 tabs of Dball (pink) and I was told to take 1 a day for a week/3 a day for a week/5 a day for a week/8 a day for a week/5 day for a week?3 a day for a week/1 a day for a week. Is this any good? And when should i take them during the day? Should I split them up or take them all at once?
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02-12-2006, 11:59 AM #99
Hi,
i'm new at this so I need some help? I am 24, I'm 6'0, with about 5-6% bodyfat. I have played baseball my whole life so im in good shape. I just graduated from college and this is my first year without baseball. I feel like I'm losing it a little bit. I don't want to take any big roids or no needles. I received 220 tabs of Dball (pink) and I was told to take 1 a day for a week/3 a day for a week/5 a day for a week/8 a day for a week/5 day for a week?3 a day for a week/1 a day for a week. Is this any good? And when should i take them during the day? Should I split them up or take them all at once?
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02-12-2006, 12:08 PM #100Originally Posted by youngbuck1001
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