Some Questions on Deca Dick

**makelovenotwar21** · 04-20-2011, 01:16 PM

From my research the recommendation with deca is to run 400 mg / wk for at least 12 wks, with at least 500 mg test / wk, runing the test 2 wks longer, take HCG 500iu / wk, an AI such as aromasin 25mg EOD and run a standard clomid / nolva pct.

However despite doing many of these things it seems a lot of people suffer severe ED. Is it overblown or is it really as common and bad as it seems? Is the risk of permanent shut down significant? Is there anything else one can add to a cycle to avoid it (besides cialis/viagra)?

**bjpennnn** · 04-20-2011, 08:47 PM

hahaha depends on the person you prob have to remove that but I think its great ha. If you run caber on cycle for the prolactin sides you will have no problem getting it up.

**yungone501** · 04-20-2011, 08:52 PM

What are your stats and cycle experience?

**5x10** · 04-20-2011, 08:59 PM

imo, i think its overblown
i always thought deca dick was the inability to get a hard on due to progesterone, yet many people want to blame a lack of libido post cycle on deca
heres why i think there are issues with running deca
1.highly suppressive, 100mgs will shut you down
2.long half life of the decanote ester
most pcts are started 4 weeks after last shot of deca(test for 2 weeks, then 2 week wait for pct)

in regards to the study to the above(100mgs causing total shutdown, recovery wasnt able to start until aprox 14 days after the 100mg shot of deca, which according to the same pct calculator, until 38mgs was left in the blood

to get to 38mgs left in you, you would have to wait 6.5 weeks after your last 400mg shot to start your serms

so the reason deca might be so hard to recover from is that people start serms even though they cannot recove,r as the nandrolone levels are too high

**tapout417** · 04-21-2011, 06:08 AM

Just speaking from personal experience deca dick sucks. I was running deca and test e. 5 weeks in I quit taking the deca because I couldn't get hard. This was my second time running deca in my cycle so I know that was the cause it happen both times. So to me its not worth it at all. If I remember right after I stopped taking it it still took about 2 weeks to fully recover.

**makelovenotwar21** · 04-21-2011, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

hahaha depends on the person you prob have to remove that but I think its great ha. If you run caber on cycle for the prolactin sides you will have no problem getting it up.

Can anyone else confirm this? I was under the impression that deca didn't effect prolactin so bromo, prami, caber etc wouldn't help.

Originally Posted by tapout417

Just speaking from personal experience deca dick sucks. I was running deca and test e. 5 weeks in I quit taking the deca because I couldn't get hard. This was my second time running deca in my cycle so I know that was the cause it happen both times. So to me its not worth it at all. If I remember right after I stopped taking it it still took about 2 weeks to fully recover.

What doses? Did you run HCG and an AI as well?

**Eazy20** · 04-21-2011, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by makelovenotwar21

Can anyone else confirm this? I was under the impression that deca didn't effect prolactin so bromo, prami, caber etc wouldn't help.

I recently had a discussion with Swifto regarding this because me and Dec11 were having a debate. This was what was said:

Originally Posted by Swifto

Its a myth that Test needs to be run higher than Deca , but shouldnt really be run below IMHO. HCG should also be used to keep the testes functioning.

Nandrolone 's (Deca/NPP) ability to cause such rapid HPTA shut down is mainly due to its structure. Its also a full agonist of the progesterone receptor. That will almost certainly wosen things, or increase its power to shut down the HPTA.

Progesterone is synthesised in response to estrogen, so controlling estrogen with an AI will help control progesterone and because of the way prolactin is regulated, thats as well.

However, although an AI will help control progesterone, it is to be noted that you should always have a dopamine agonist on hand when running a 19-nor in case prolactin side effects do arise.

**dec11** · 04-21-2011, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Eazy20

I recently had a discussion with Swifto regarding this because me and Dec11 were having a debate. This was what was said:

However, although an AI will help control progesterone, it is to be noted that you should always have a dopamine agonist on hand when running a 19-nor in case prolactin side effects do arise.

fvckin told you so

lol

**Eazy20** · 04-21-2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

fvckin told you so

lol

Haha we were both 1/2 right my friend. Prolactin can be indirectly prevented via an AI (as i stated), however when it becomes an issue, the only way to get it down is via a dopamine agonist (as you stated). We're both just two thick headed @$$holes lol.

**dec11** · 04-21-2011, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Eazy20

Haha we were both 1/2 right my friend. Prolactin can be indirectly prevented via an AI (as i stated), however when it becomes an issue, the only way to get it down is via a dopamine agonist (as you stated). We're both just two thick headed @$$holes lol.

we nearly need a direct line with swifto, he comes up with new stuff so often lol

**songdog** · 04-21-2011, 02:40 PM

I promise you.A ai will help with estro.But wont stop the progesterone effects deca dick tren cant bust a nut.AIs help but aint enough.

**vtach12** · 04-21-2011, 03:28 PM

Does Deca have to be run for 12 weeks? How much of a gain can one get when stacking with test verses test alone?

**5x10** · 04-21-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by vtach12

Does Deca have to be run for 12 weeks? How much of a gain can one get when stacking with test verses test alone?

well, i started my deca a couple weeks earlier than my test
the deca made me stronger, but my lifts are blowing up now that the test is kicking in(hit 315x10 on incline bb, woot!)
deca makes me feel fuller and stronger, and i can tell when i end it and run test by itself
deca doesnt have to be run for 12 weeks, its going to be in your system for at least a month after your last shot

**vtach12** · 04-22-2011, 06:52 PM

So if one had an option to run some deca at 125mg /wk for 12 weeks or 250mg/wk for 6 weeks with 400mg/wk test C, which would be the best option? from what I read, the higher mgfor less time would be best I think. (Body weight at 205, age 39)

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by 5x10

well, i started my deca a couple weeks earlier than my test
the deca made me stronger, but my lifts are blowing up now that the test is kicking in(hit 315x10 on incline bb, woot!)
deca makes me feel fuller and stronger, and i can tell when i end it and run test by itself
deca doesnt have to be run for 12 weeks, its going to be in your system for at least a month after your last shot

no, its going to be dwindling in your system, not the same