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    I'm gonna take Test forever

    I've been taking Test Enth for the last 3 months. Usually about 300 or 400 milligrams per week. I'm not planning on ever stopping. Bench has went from barely 300 to almost 395 on this light
    dose. Haven't had any side effects so far. Question is how long before something bad happens. I'd rather die and have a good looking corpse than stop though.Peace.

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    well I dont know how good looking your corpse is going to be with a good set of tits on it. You running any anti estrogens? What happens if you cannot afford to stay on test at some point and you have no physical capacity of making it naturally?

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    That is the problem with extending cycles and not guarding against test production shutdown. You may find yourself on permanent test replacement therapy.

    A nice set of titties (as Mike pointed out) may be on their way as well.

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    Re: I'm gonna take Test forever

    Originally posted by FRANK WHITE
    I've been taking Test Enth for the last 3 months. Usually about 300 or 400 milligrams per week. I'm not planning on ever stopping. Bench has went from barely 300 to almost 395 on this light
    dose. Haven't had any side effects so far. Question is how long before something bad happens. I'd rather die and have a good looking corpse than stop though.Peace.
    hey bro i want to ask you what about your weihgts
    are they good? see i,m doing sust250mg, sten250mg
    test200mg this is my 3rd week, so far my strengh
    is going up, no gain yet. since you doing test straigh, what you think about my cycle man??

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    Hey Mike, no, I'm not doing anti E's. I figured if I stay 400 to 500 milligrams per week of Enth I shouldn't need them. It's been 3 months and there hasn't been any problems with bitch tits or anything else. Strength has steadily increased. If there is a problem what Anti E would you recommend? REM, before I started I weighed about 205, now I'm 227 and very clearly bigger. Your cycle sounds great. You should get bigger a lot faster than me with the other stuff added. I've heard people say on here that you only need one Test running at once. You might not want to run SUS and TEST Enth at the same time, according to what I've been hearing. I'm sure Mike or one of the other VETS would know more.Peace

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    Cool Test forever?

    Originally posted by FRANK WHITE
    I've been taking Test Enth for the last 3 months. Usually about 300 or 400 milligrams per week. I'm not planning on ever stopping. Bench has went from barely 300 to almost 395 on this light dose. Haven't had any side effects so far. Question is how long before something bad happens. I'd rather die and have a good looking corpse than stop though.Peace.
    Well, Frank . . . Perhaps the question is whether you would rather die next week, or even next year, just to have a good lookng corpse?

    Like you, sport, my favorite AS is test - enanthate or cyp, doesn't matter since I get the legit versions of both of them legally in the U.S. and Canada. But let's get real . . .

    The usual therapeutic dose of test is 200-400 mg. every two to four weeks - in other words, someone with, say, hypogonadism or a low test count would do a maximum of 800 mg. per month. That's based on the actual product literature for Delatestryl (enan.) and Depo-Testosterone (cyp). So I would hardly call 300-400 mg. per week (which translates to 1200-1600 mg. per month) a "light" dose. Granted, bodybuilders will do that much and even more, but it's on a cycle with a finite starting and ending point, and they balance it out with other drugs to avoid gyno and restore their natural test levels.

    As for how long it is before "something bad" happens, that depends on the individual. I've never had gyno, but I"ve heard the horror stories of guys who have had it. Ditto water retention, but lots of guys get it because test has such androgenic effects.

    If you've done your research, you know that the normal level of total testosterone in your body should range between 241-827. Last time I had my total testosterone done, a few weeks go, my reading was 1487. I didn't feel any different than usual - no more hyped up, no hornier than usual, no peaks and valleys, no other oddball symptoms - but the labwork doesn't lie (especially since I keep track of what I inject pretty accurately). Of course, I titrated back the injections (scaled them down rather than stopping them), and will get labwork done again in a couple of weeks.

    So if you haven't done so, my advice is to get your total testosterone level checked - a simple blood test. And if youve never done so, you should also have an FSH follicle stimulating hormone), LU (lutenizing hormone), and free & weakly binding testosterone test done. Ditto a lipid panel and comprehensive metabolic panel so you're sure that the test isn't having a negative impact on your kidneys, your liver, and your glucose level. And most important, get a PSA (prostate specific antigen) done - if there's any one major, often irreversable bummer from doing too much test, it's an increased risk of prostate cancer. If that happens, I guarantee that your biggest concern will not be going out as a good looking corpse; at that point, you'll be like any other atheist who has suddenly discovered God. And much as I'd like to leave this world (but not too soon) as a good looking corpse, I'd rather go out with a healthy set of balls.

    No doubt, bro, test is fun stuff and can have a lot of positive effects. But for your sake, do it intelligently, or don't do it at all.

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    TNT -

    why do you have to trivialize ALL my posts?

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    TNT. Thanks Man. A lot of valuable info which is making me think about things. Peace.

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    Originally posted by FRANK WHITE
    what Anti E would you recommend?
    Anastrozole.

    AKA Arimidex

    AKA Liquidex.

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    Originally posted by Mike
    well I dont know how good looking your corpse is going to be with a good set of tits on it. You running any anti estrogens? What happens if you cannot afford to stay on test at some point and you have no physical capacity of making it naturally?
    I like that ,......

    How true .... I think that Chyna is actually a Man .... who has stayed on the sauce way too long .... hehe

    You see guys , it can happen...

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    X Biker. Thanks man. I appreciate the Info. Peace.

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    hey FRANK

    arimidex and liquidex are expensive. a much cheaper alternative is NOLVADEX .

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    Big Guy. Thanks man. I appreciate the info. Peace.

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    Frank, I know what your titties really look like. The rest of you too. It would be better to have you around for a really long time healthy and natural. I love you.

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    Hey Frank! glad to hear your making such good progress on the test...how about throughing in some HCG to help with your gonads or bridge with oxandralone for 6-8 weeks then jump back on.

    I did sus for 20 weeks before and then bridges for 8 weeks with var and primo, then jumped back on the sus for another 12 weeks
    and continued to make good gains....BUT....when I finally came off that long run it took quite a while for the gonads to return to normal...I meen alot longer...I should of started HCG mid cycle on the second run and all might of been well...Just thought I'd share my own personal experience with a long duration of test!

    Peace big man and keep growing...P.S don't die on us yet..we still need your input around here..

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    anybody here stay on

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    unless you are competing and bodybuilding trophies and cash and career is your goal, why would you stay on ?????? staying on maybe 200 mg every other week, maybe, anymore than this will screw your natural test all up....definitely hcg in the middle to keep your guys working, and not completelyu disappearing. funny thing - watching this porn a few weeks ago, and the guy was obviously on aas, 2 girls go down on him and guess what????? zero nuts, they were absolutely gone, I don't think anyone wants that.... or do you not care???

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    Dude, I think your getting addicted to it

    Did you say a while ago that you've hit a plateau and that your gains aren't as good as they used to be? Well then why not take a break??? Go off the Enth, take some Clomid, wait about 2-3 months and do another good cycle.

    I think your risking too much.

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    This is a really old thread I started a long time ago. It came back to haunt me though. Thanks everyone, Especially my very dear friend Mrs. T. I really appreciate your comments and helpful advice. Big Mallet, thanks Bro. I appreciate your info and kind words about not going out yet. I like your ideas of bridging for a while and think I'm going to try that. Tyler Durden, Man I've got to get in shape for a fight club event.LOL. Seriously, some good advice my brother. I do care but have an obsession with reaching a certain point that is worth the risk at the moment. Thank You though brother. Tnox, Whats up my brother, read some of your comments on the Iranian steriods question and found some very well thought out and meaningful answers to a difficult subject. I respect what you said, I am a former Marine, who's also had a Persian girlfriend for almost a year, and I know we don't get the whole story by firsthand experience. Yes, I think I am becomming addicted to AS. When I do stop in a few months its gonna be rough. Real Rough. Anyway, thanks again my Iron brothers. I really appreciate the concern. Big Mallet, I hope all is well whith your cycle. I'm sure your a monster by now. I gotta go check out your cycle thread to catch an update.Take Care, Peace, and be Safe.
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    So what did you decide to do? Have you been taking test all this time? How bout an update??

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    Why keep on the AS for a long time?? I find doing a short cycle better it gives the body time to rest . And doing it that way you can do more cycles in a year and you will recover better.

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    Originally posted by JP1570
    So what did you decide to do? Have you been taking test all this time? How bout an update??
    JP, ya brother, I have been taking test this whole time. I updated whats going on with a thread titled "Sticking Point", need help." Basically, I've gotten up to 237 and can bench around 410-420, depending on the day. The problem is I've been stuck here for over a month. The Bro's suggested completely changing my routine,(Big Pete), to increasing the dosages, I'm now on EQ, 400mg a week as well. Yesterday was Chest/Tri day and I completely switched everything. Side effects have been very minimal. No bitch tits, no acne, no roid rage , balls still working. Haven't been sick once. AS raises your red blood cell count and helps your immune system(I believe) Thats why they give them(especialy Anadrol ) to AIDS patients. Thats pretty much it. Could be some problems beginning which show no signs until its to late, but I hope not. Thanks for the reply. Peace and Be Safe.

    Bex, I know your right about being on AS to long. Yourself and a lot of other respected Bro's have told me to get off for a while. I may wish I did someday. I'm planning on staying on for at least a few more months though. In order to understand why I'm willing to take these chances you would have to understand my obsession with hitting a Softball 500ft. After I hopefully accomplish this I will go back to a normal cycle interval and do things right. It once again shows the quality of this board though, my brother, that so many people actually care. I really appreciate the concern. Take Care. Peace and Be Safe.

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    well it is very easy to get hooked on test, afterall it makes you feel good look good and all that. But remember the ole saying: "to much of something can be bad"? That is soo true. It is very easy to get caught up in the good feeling and looks that test gives you, but be smart, your body will start reacting to it after time. Don't be a test junkie, because you will pay for it later in life. I heard Mike say that he had been doing gear for a long time, and had all kinds of health problems related to it. THINK bro! If you like test soo much, then if you die you won't be able to enjoy it more and more?
    Do the research, I am sure you know the more test you take and not give your body a rest, the better chance you will inhibit your own body's production of test, then YOU will be test junkie or else you will become a woman.... Be smart even the pros know this. I love test, I love it, and I can easily see how someone could become addicted to it. I am 30 and I love it, makes me feel 15 again, but even at my age, I am careful.
    Good luck bro, and take some of the guys advice.

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    Originally posted by big_guy
    hey FRANK

    arimidex and liquidex are expensive. a much cheaper alternative is NOLVADEX.
    Yes, Nolvadex !

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    Sicilian and SK, two quality bro's who are the reason AR is the best board around. Thank You for caring. I promise I will think about this very seriously again. I was set on staying on for at least three more months, and may still. I just wan't you to know that It matters to know someone cares. And it does make a difference. Thank You.

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    Originally posted by Methuselah


    Yes, Nolvadex!
    Thanks Big M. Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope all is well in life and lifting. Take Care and Be Safe.

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    Originally posted by sk*


    Let's assume there was a study that said taking 200mg of test will shorten your life for 1year (just assuming, noone get scared), would it still be worth it?yes, umm maybe it would and that would be considered a chance. What if it was 3years? or 10? or what if you take it for 2years straight and aren't able to come off and end up dying (or something worse)? These are all examples ofcourse and no real need to jump to conclusions, but why not do what others have done for many years and continue doing? We know taking 500mg test for 10weeks is relatively safe, so many people have done it and live to tell about it without any or much complications.
    No. Let's not assume. There has been no such study and that is ridiculous. There have been studies to the contrary. Frank is one of the few on this board that is doing moderate doses. He is taking Test, which is one of the few AS that is available for medical use. The fact is that 200 - 600 mg is a dose that is normally prescribed. Frank will not wake up with bitch tits, he is obviously not genetically predisposed to gynocomastia. Frank will not die from an overdose of something which his body produces naturally. His only concern should be to go off cycle periodically and let his hypothalamus/testicular axis normalize. He'll know this happens when his testicles plump up to their normal size.

    Because Testosterone and it's esters are used clinically, you can find relevant medical information on this readily. It's suggested to dose between 200 and 400 mg per week using 10 weeks on and 4 weeks off, starting HCG therapy for 10 days at the beginning of the 3rd off week (14 days after the last test shot). Resume testosterone replacement therapy at the end of the 4th off week (4 days after the last shot of HCG). Yes, your testosterone levels may exceed the normal level of 241-827 or 841 (827 or 841 depending on where you read what is normal).
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    Originally posted by sk*


    I made my comments for making a point, I never said it will do any harm for you.

    I was just saying it is always safe to do what has already been tested.
    Bump! Good point!

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    Originally posted by Methuselah


    No. Let's not assume. There has been no such study and that is ridiculous. There have been studies to the contrary. Frank is one of the few on this board that is doing moderate doses. He is taking Test, which is one of the few AS that is available for medical use. The fact is that 200 - 600 mg is a dose that is normally prescribed. Frank will not wake up with bitch tits, he is obviously not genetically predisposed to gynocomastia. Frank will not die from an overdose of something which his body produces naturally. His only concern should be to go off cycle periodically and let his hypothalamus/testicular axis normalize. He'll know this happens when his testicles plump up to their normal size.

    Because Testosterone and it's esters are used clinically, you can find relevant medical information on this readily. It's suggested to dose between 200 and 400 mg per week using 10 weeks on and 4 weeks off, starting HCG therapy for 10 days at the beginning of the 3rd off week (14 days after the last test shot). Resume testosterone replacement therapy at the end of the 4th off week (4 days after the last shot of HCG). Yes, your testosterone levels may exceed the normal level of 241-827 or 841 (827 or 841 depending on where you read what is normal).
    Thanks Methuselha, that was very useful information. I have been pondering taking test myself and it's good to have this board and members like you around.


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    Take it easy bro. Staying for too long on test can really mess your levels. Ive heard from other boards of people after at the end of a really long cycle cannot stimulate the HPT to make any LH even on long theraphy of clomid and hcg . And they end up on theraphy. Juice is just recreational. Nothing happens overnight bro, Take your gains. cycle off for atleast 2 months and when you go back youl be pakin more meat and keep your nuts for having babies in the future.

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    i heard and read reports about some BBuilders
    doing gear all year around no time off,
    and of course they face some side effects but nothing serious, as long as you feel good and you
    see your doctor for a physical, you will be fine man..

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    Re: Test forever?

    Originally posted by TNT

    The usual therapeutic dose of test is 200-400 mg. every two to four weeks - in other words, someone with, say, hypogonadism or a low test count would do a maximum of 800 mg. per month.
    Not entirely true. That IS what the insert says, but it is not the way that it is being prescribed for HRT; and certainly not the way that it's being used for BB. Considering the half life, it's almost always prescribed in a weekly dose. So double your thumb view estimate; that would be 1600 mg per month. The dosage would be presribed based on clinical studies, body weight, and patient repsonse.

    http://www.medibolics.com/freq2.htm

    Frank is far from abusing and is only 3 months in. I think his concern is coming off the cycle without losing his gains, let's keep his thread focused for him.

    ** Note that dosing information in the package insert for nandrolone decanoate has recently been updated to recommend weekly administration. It appears that the package inserts for testosterone cypionate and testosterone enanthate should also be updated.
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    frankly i don't think anyone follows a regimen
    to do steroids the proper way, some may do, due to
    their knowledge maybe VETS or others as well,
    some have the power to see a doc and get all they
    need, but others may not have the luxury,
    this is my point of view, i think everyone does it
    depending in their progress,not dosages or time..

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    REM and Shredder. Bro's, as I've stated before its people like you who care that set this board apart from all others. I respect and appreciate your comments on this thread. They will not be forgotten. Thank You my Iron brothers. Methuselah and I have spoken privately and he has helped me tremendously. Thank You Methuselah. All I can say is that I'm very happy to have discovered AR, it was by accident. It has made my life a brighter place. Thank you all.

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    so what's the bottom line frank?

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    REM, I'm gonna stay on for at least three more months after which I'm gonna use HCG to get the jewels going again. I'm gonna stay on around 600-800mg of Test and 400mg of EQ. I've thought about this all day and this is what I've decided. Thanks agains bro and I'll keep you posted. Talk to you soon. Peace and Be Safe.

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    Frank, can you keep us posted weekly on your gains and any side effects you are experiencing. What you're doing could dispell the myth of a 3 month cycle. It could also reinforce it I guess. Anyway, stay as safe as possible and please let us know everything. Good Luck.

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    Thanks JP. I'll definetely keep you posted Bro. Peace and Be Safe.

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    Being an addict in recovery just read all this post and it is a classic case of addiction, all the replies and convincing in the world, all the medical studies, danger signs and whatever wont make him stop right Frank??. Its like fuck this sides im doing it anyway and "yeah I heard you" classsic word for addicts "BUT" im doing it my way anyway. My suggestion is when u have had enough suffered in some way and maybe learned from your own experience then you will stop. I say all this from total experience with all types of chemicals and addictions and its not a flame just an observation I wish you well hope im wrong but I would put money on that im not

    peace

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    Originally posted by The Original Jason
    Being an addict in recovery just read all this post and it is a classic case of addiction, all the replies and convincing in the world, all the medical studies, danger signs and whatever wont make him stop right Frank??. Its like fuck this sides im doing it anyway and "yeah I heard you" classsic word for addicts "BUT" im doing it my way anyway. My suggestion is when u have had enough suffered in some way and maybe learned from your own experience then you will stop. I say all this from total experience with all types of chemicals and addictions and its not a flame just an observation I wish you well hope im wrong but I would put money on that im not

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    Jason, your right bro. I have an addictive personality and theres no doubt in my mind that I am addicted to AS right now. However, one of the reasons I'm addicted is not just to be big but to hit a Softball 500ft. Once I've done that and Softball season is winding down, and I go back to L.A. for good. The motivation for my addiction will be gone. In L.A, I won't be able to workout nearly as much, if at all sometimes. And my priority will not be to get as strong as possible. This is honestly how I feel. It all revolves around softball. Thank you for wishing me the best Bro. I may be fooling myself , but right now I honestly don't think so. Peace. Take Care and Be Safe.
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