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    Milk Thistle, ALA, Saw palmetto etc.

    How much of these during cycle???

    Thanx for your help, brothaz!

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    Milk thistle=1000mgs
    ala=300-500mgs pending on amount of carbs your intaking
    saw palmetto=?? cant help here bro

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    Personally I'd wait until you notice a problem with the prostate for the saw palmetto. I've read and experienced it actually INCREASING prostate size rather than the opposite. I started taking it with my cycle and it seemed to cause more problems than if I just didn't take it at all.

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    THANX YOU GUYS!

    Dont know what I would do without ya....

    BTW! My carb intake will be about 600grams
    So, again... How much ALA!?

    And should I like split it up, or take all at once!

    Thanx everybody, I know I am asking some stupid questions here, but thank you for bothering to help!

    Soon I'm gonna start!

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    if it is r-ALA then 100mg per 30-40g of carbs, if it is ALA 300mg per 30-40g of carbs. Take it when you take that amount of carbs.

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    wow, thanks for the post painintheazz, I needed that info also.

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    Originally posted by Whoisdaman
    wow, thanks for the post painintheazz, I needed that info also.
    Welcome bro, I think most people don't understand ALA and think they just have to take so much per day but you really want to take a certain amount with your carbs. Unless you just want the health benefits of it.

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    Yeah, I have been just taking 2 pills per carb meal of ALA while not really checking the nutritional content. Glad that someone finally made a post about it, really hasn't passed my mind to check ALA dosage until now.

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    Originally posted by painintheazz
    if it is r-ALA then 100mg per 30-40g of carbs, if it is ALA 300mg per 30-40g of carbs. Take it when you take that amount of carbs.

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    Whats the difference between r-ALA and ALA? And 300mg pr. 30-40gr. carb. WOW! Isnt that extreme? So I must take over 3000mg of ALA daily.... Is this right?

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    I have a good link at work about the difference, I will post it when I get in. For ALA yes if you are taking in 300-400g per day then 3g of ALA is correct. Personally I wouldn't go that high and wouldn't use it with all my meals. I like it for cutting, I haven't used it with bulking yet.

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    OK here is the info.

    How is R-ALA different from ALA?
    I have to get a little technical here in order to make the terminology meaningful. In chemistry, a compound that has four different groups attached to carbon has a plane of asymmetry. That carbon is designated “chiral”, meaning it has “handedness”. That means that the molecule can exist in two different forms that are non super-imposable mirror images of one another. Put your right palm on the back of your left hand. What do you see? Both hands have five fingers, with the same arrangement relative to the thumb and yet the thumbs point in different directions, so the hands are said to be mirror images of one another. Chiral molecules, like hands have this property. One of these isomeric molecules (called stereoisomers or enantiomers) rotates the plane of light in a machine called a polarimeter to the right and is designated dextro or +. The other isomer rotates the plane of light to the left and is called levo or -. There is another consideration when dealing with chiral molecules that places the four different substituents in order of priority. The priority is determined by convention and establishes what is called the ‘Absolute Configuration’ of the molecule. By starting with the highest priority substituent and moving in a clockwise direction to the second highest, and on to the third and fourth designates the molecule R. If you move in the opposite direction, the absolute configuration is S. Molecules in living systems generally exist in only one form. When the same molecule is synthesized, it consists of equal amounts of both forms. Commercially available alpha Lipoic acid is a synthetic product consisting of two forms, the R+ and S- isomers in equal amounts. As we said, naturally occurring Lipoic acid, the type your body makes and requires contains one form, the R-dextro or + form. This gives R-lipoic acid significantly more potency and efficacy. This is because the body recognizes R-lipoic acid and knows how to properly metabolize it, since all the key enzymes are structured to hold only the R-form of lipoic acid.

    Does that mean ALA is no good?
    Remember, alpha lipoic acid is contains 50% of the natural R-form and 50% of the unnatural S-form. Most of the therapeutic value lies in the R-form. That is the reason why people get results when they take an alpha Lipoic acid supplement.

    So if I take half the amount of R-ala compared to ALA, I'll get the same results?
    It’s not quite that simple, although until recently researchers thought this was the case. There is new evidence surfacing that the unnatural S-form may actually interfere with the beneficial properties of the R-form. In one study with mice, alpha Lipoic acid at high doses shortened the mean lifespan, but even at low doses, the R- form increased total life-span. So it is best to avoid the S-form altogether in order to achieve maximum benefits.


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    Originally posted by Slypknot
    Personally I'd wait until you notice a problem with the prostate for the saw palmetto. I've read and experienced it actually INCREASING prostate size rather than the opposite. I started taking it with my cycle and it seemed to cause more problems than if I just didn't take it at all.
    Same here...

    Saw P only made the prostate enlargement worse when I started taking it. Not everyone reacts to it the same way.

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    OK, thanx for the info...

    I got an impression that the ALA dosages are for cutting, not protecting...
    I want to know the protecting dosage... whats that?

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    Originally posted by The Natural
    OK, thanx for the info...

    I got an impression that the ALA dosages are for cutting, not protecting...
    I want to know the protecting dosage... whats that?
    300-1000 mg/day is good. Most go on the higher side if they are taking orals or just being cautious.

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