2nd cycle - Think I've got it nailed!

**Slypknot** · 03-31-2003, 08:53 PM

I'm putting some time into planning my nxt run so here's what I'm lookin at

dbol 4 weeks at 30mg a day
Wk 1-12 EQ@400mg
Wk 1-13 Enth@500mg
Wk 11-15 Winny@50mg ED
Wk 15 start clomid therapy

To aid with cycle
6 'drops' (.5mg) of Liquidex EOD throughout cycle
Milk Thistle
B6

I'm still figuring out proper dosage (my first cycle was Sust@500mg/Deca @400mg weekly) since it appears I need to up them being my 2nd cycle.

Goal: To gain mass without bloating/gaining a TON of fat (will require strict diet), avoid gyno at all costs and grow like a little weed....

Thoughts?

**Lift Chief** · 03-31-2003, 08:56 PM

That cycle sucks!

Jk... looks good bro... if i had the money i'd run the exact same thing.

**painintheazz** · 03-31-2003, 08:59 PM

Looks damn good bro, I would run the winny a little longer but that is my .02.

Pain

**Slypknot** · 03-31-2003, 09:19 PM

So winny for maybe 6-8 weeks? Most cyc's I researched ran it for 5 weeks so figured this was the norm...

**big N** · 03-31-2003, 09:22 PM

7 weeks winny ,ur good to go just take ur ala and milk thislte .

**Decoder** · 03-31-2003, 10:46 PM

didn't you just do a cycle?

**painintheazz** · 04-01-2003, 06:41 AM

I liked winny at the 6 week mark and might bring it to the 7 or 8 week number depending on how cut you want to get ( I am assuming you are using the winny at the end to aid in a little BF reduction and hardening up) I would make sure you run some liver protectants.

Pain

**Slypknot** · 04-01-2003, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by Decoder
didn't you just do a cycle?

CORRECT! I'm actually just finishing up and prep'n to run clomid... but due to upcoming divorce and a multitude of other issues it feels like the right time to unload some cash and what better investment than my own body?

I'll still maintain time on=time off...but better I get to blow the cash than the X...

**Chach** · 04-01-2003, 08:33 AM

slypknot---good cycle, hey what were ur gains off ur lst cycle sust/deca ?...

**Slypknot** · 04-01-2003, 09:36 AM

Once I'm done (couple more weeks) I'll be posting a Pre/Post cycle pic... These last few weeks have been stellar! Started at 177lbs and am now at 196 - BF was 16% and is now 13% (odd that it would drop since this is a bulking run but oh well, I'm not bitchin)....

So it's been a good cycle so far to say the least!

**Boxer101** · 04-01-2003, 09:42 AM

Personally I would decrease the duration and increase your test a little. 500mg/wk of test and 400mg/eq is basically identical to your first cycle. If you are going to run arimidex throughout I would increase test to 600 min. and eq to 5-600. Run the winny at the end like you are planning just make it a 6-8 week cycle for your test and eq vs. a 12-13 week cycle.

**iron4life79** · 04-01-2003, 06:56 PM

boxer101,
i respectfully disagree. eq should be run a minimum of 10 weeks to achieve full effect. and theres no way i'd run eq without some sort of test as a base.
i also think its a great idea for slyp to run liquidex throughout @.5 mg ed.
this will keep the gyno symptoms at bay, while holding off water retention as well.
i dont understand the reasoning for the shorter duration you speak of, and why you think he should increase the test dosage just because he's running 'dex............

peace IFL79

**painintheazz** · 04-01-2003, 07:35 PM

I agree with iron, I haven't used EQ yet but I have done deca and they are similar and I know I wouldn't use deca for less than 10 weeks, 12 being a good number IMO.

Pain

**Lift Chief** · 04-01-2003, 07:39 PM

EQ should be run at least 10 weeks... i agree... the longer the better with EQ.

12 would be better than 10
14 better than 12.... IMO.

14 weeks is the longest i would run it though.

**Boxer101** · 04-01-2003, 10:41 PM

You're probably right on the duration of the EQ. I didn't really take into account the fact that it does take quite a bit longer to kick in then other AAS's. As for the duration vs dosages His last cycle was nearly identical. I have always made it a habit to increase by even a small portion with each consecutive cycle.

**Slypknot** · 04-02-2003, 06:57 PM

I've tried to find as much as I could on the reasoning behind increasing dosage as you go... it seems as life progressed-at a rate of 2 cycles a year-By the time I was 35 I'd be doing almost two grams of test a week!!

I've seen some vet cycles which don't have this much test.

SO - it appears that the only time one needs to increase dosage for effect is when they have bridged OR if they did not take the required time off (usually 12-16 weeks regardless of cycle). I read quite a few posts which showed how LONG the Deca stayed in the body due to its long ester.... I plan on taking 16 weeks off before running this new one, so I hope that the dosage will be a-ok as well as the duration.

**Boxer101** · 04-02-2003, 09:03 PM

Actually thats true. 2grams while it seems out of the ordinary is not a strange dose for someone of sufficient size. Think of it this way. 500mg/wk might work fine now at a weight of 180 lbs (just to use numbers) but how well do you think it is going to fend with increased muscle mass over a span of 10 years??? If you are still 180 after 10 years you aren't doing something right... I started at nearly 125lbs and have been over 230. I can tell you now, 500mg/wk I started with years ago wouldn't even be enough to give me an errection now. A steady increase is necessary. You decide the rate at which you increase though.

**iron4life79** · 04-03-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Boxer101
Actually thats true. 2grams while it seems out of the ordinary is not a strange dose for someone of sufficient size. Think of it this way. 500mg/wk might work fine now at a weight of 180 lbs (just to use numbers) but how well do you think it is going to fend with increased muscle mass over a span of 10 years??? If you are still 180 after 10 years you aren't doing something right... I started at nearly 125lbs and have been over 230. I can tell you now, 500mg/wk I started with years ago wouldn't even be enough to give me an errection now. A steady increase is necessary. You decide the rate at which you increase though.

this i DO agree with..........100%

peace IFL79

**monstercojones** · 04-03-2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Slypknot
I've tried to find as much as I could on the reasoning behind increasing dosage as you go... it seems as life progressed-at a rate of 2 cycles a year-By the time I was 35 I'd be doing almost two grams of test a week!!

I've seen some vet cycles which don't have this much test.

SO - it appears that the only time one needs to increase dosage for effect is when they have bridged OR if they did not take the required time off (usually 12-16 weeks regardless of cycle). I read quite a few posts which showed how LONG the Deca stayed in the body due to its long ester.... I plan on taking 16 weeks off before running this new one, so I hope that the dosage will be a-ok as well as the duration.

it doesnt matter. boxer made a valid point. when bodyweight increases, so does the need for higher levels of androgens and anabolics. think of it this way, if a 130 pound guy and a 200 pound guy both started their first cycle of 400 mg test a week, who do you think would get greater gains? its just like tylenol haha, if youre bigger you need more. why do you think horses get 10cc shots of EQ?

**Slypknot** · 04-03-2003, 10:23 PM

Makes complete sense... I suppose as my overall muscle mass increases it would require more test to keep growing.

I may re-evaluate my 2nd cycle and possibly add a tad bit more in there. As I'm just finishing off my first I want to see how my body responds to clomid/recovery first...then, based on the actual gains I hold on to, I might do well with this cycle the way it is - or may need to increase some.