16 week second cycle

23, 3.5 yrs serious bodybuilding, 6'0 roughly 13% BF (going down tho), 1 basic cycle, 205 lbs

I have my second cycle all set to go ( in 2 months)
its kinda mix of bulk and cutting cycle (didnt hear great things of winny, so I took that option out)

Prop WK 1 - 8 200 mg EOD
Deca WK 1 - 8 600 mg WK ?? 800 mg WK
Eq WK 7 - 16 400 mg WK
Test Enan WK 7 - 16 500 mg WK

Should I use ENAN in second phase or first one, as I dont like ED shots
I am using PROP to jump start the gains, or should I use 750 mg Sust from WK 7 - 16, wk 1 - 8 PROP?

or should I do this?

Prop WK 1 - 2 200 mg EOD
Test Enan WK 3 - 14 500 mg WK
Deca WK 1 - 8 600 mg WK ?? 800 mg WK
Eq WK 7 - 16 400 mg WK
Test Prop WK 15 - 16 500 mg WK

obviosly nolva ED and HCG to come off
wk 3,4,5 out 5000, 1000, 5000 IU??


of course, I am gonna take 2g/lb protein and increase caloric intake to 4000/5000

anything else I am missing here?

hummm 500mg of prop each week, its like the testosterone roller coaster...

i would go with the prop till week 5.
im on prop/enan right now and enan have no kick yet so to keep the intense pump and test level right you should go this way: 100mg ed IMO is better than 200mg eod :D if pins dont scare you ;)

heres what i would do....

wks 1-4 Test prop 100mg/eod
wks 1-12 Test enan 600mg/wk
wks 1-12 Eq 400-600mg/wk
wks 13-16 Test prop 100mg/ed
*wks 13-16 Fina 75mg/ed* (Optional of course) :)
wks 12 and 16 HCG 1000iu/ed
Followed by clomid and/or nolvadex

What do you guys think of this ...

wk 1 - 4 200 mg Prop EOD ( is it too high to jump start??)
wk 1 - 8 600/800 mg Deca/wk (I am thinking bulking to begin with)
wk 3 - 12 Test Enan 600 mg/wk
WK 7 - 16 EQ 600 mg/wk (as I finish Deca, start EQ for cutting)
wk 13 - 16 Test Prop 100mg EOD

HCG and clomid therapy to finish and nolva starting wk 12 or 15??

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Originally posted by Big_BoneZ
What do you guys think of this ...

wk 1 - 4 200 mg Prop EOD ( is it too high to jump start??)
wk 1 - 8 600/800 mg Deca/wk (I am thinking bulking to begin with)
wk 3 - 12 Test Enan 600 mg/wk
WK 7 - 16 EQ 600 mg/wk (as I finish Deca, start EQ for cutting)
wk 13 - 16 Test Prop 100mg EOD

HCG and clomid therapy to finish and nolva starting wk 12 or 15??

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for your 2nd cycle the doses you are running are a bit high....drop your prop to 75mg ed...pick either deca or eq and run it the whole time..not both..heres how id run it..Madmax

prop 75mg ed (1-4)
test cyp 600mg (1-12)
eq 400mg (1-12)
prop 75mg ed (10-15)

Run the EQ all 16 weeks... you arent going to notice much in 9.

prop 150mg eod (1-4)
test cyp 600mg (1-12)
eq 400mg (1-16)
prop 150mg eod (11-16)


how does this sound??... I want to gain 30 pounds.. I know its kinda ridiculous to expect, but I am gonna be real great with my intake (diet)... is this practical???

I agree with Lift Chief. Run the EQ the whole time. It can take up to 5-6 weeks for it to really kick in!

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Originally posted by Big_BoneZ
prop 150mg eod (1-4)
test cyp 600mg (1-12)
eq 400mg (1-16)
prop 150mg eod (11-16)


how does this sound??... I want to gain 30 pounds.. I know its kinda ridiculous to expect, but I am gonna be real great with my intake (diet)... is this practical???

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Looks good to me!

OK got it Finalized like this

WK 1 - 10 Deca 600 mg/wk
WK 1 - 3 Prop 100mg EOD
WK 1 - 14 Test Enan 600 mg/wk
WK 15, 16 Prop 200 mg EOD

WK 17,18 nolva 40mg ED
WK 19,20 nolva 20mg ED
WK 17,18 clomid 100mg ED
WK 19,20 clomid 50mg ED

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Originally posted by Big_BoneZ
OK got it Finalized like this

WK 1 - 10 Deca 600 mg/wk
WK 1 - 3 Prop 100mg EOD
WK 1 - 14 Test Enan 600 mg/wk
WK 15, 16 Prop 200 mg EOD

WK 17,18 nolva 40mg ED
WK 19,20 nolva 20mg ED
WK 17,18 clomid 100mg ED
WK 19,20 clomid 50mg ED

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Looks good, may go 12 on the deca but it's your call, it's only a suggestion

JohnnyB

what sides can I expect from this cycle??

after clomid/hcg therapy..

post cycle??