Aspirated four times and drew blood

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 08:58 PM

I injected four different times in glute and had blood when aspirating. Finally I was able to get no blood on aspiration. However when I pulled out after injecting blood came trickling out and down my leg. This was a couple days ago so guess I am fine. My question was, how times should you keep sticking yourself with the same needle before replacing? Part of me felt i should of used a new needle, but I didn't know how to save gear in syringe, so I wasn't gonna waste.

**Lunk1** · 09-22-2012, 09:06 PM

I pulled out og one quad after 3 nerve strikes and just switched legs....not saying its right but ....

**Phased** · 09-22-2012, 09:06 PM

Hopefully this helps and gives you some new ideas of places to pin if your having trouble with that area.
spotinjections.com

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-22-2012, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

I injected four different times in glute and had blood when aspirating. Finally I was able to get no blood on aspiration. However when I pulled out after injecting blood came trickling out and down my leg. This was a couple days ago so guess I am fine. My question was, how times should you keep sticking yourself with the same needle before replacing? Part of me felt i should of used a new needle, but I didn't know how to save gear in syringe, so I wasn't gonna waste.

Best practice is to only use a needle once. As soon as it touches you it's no longer sterile.

**gixxerboy1** · 09-22-2012, 09:09 PM

Next time with the needle out of you just oull thr plunger down to get a little air in the tube and twist pin off and put new one on. I would have tried a new body part.

**Far from massive** · 09-22-2012, 09:14 PM

Its more a matter of time as far as the blood in the syringe. The needle can be changed for a new one with very little loss of AAS.

What concerns me more than the blood in the syringe is why you got it 4 times in a row on a glute shot (glutes are very safe areas for injection) I would suggest that you look at some pictures and videos of glute IM injections as its pretty likely that you were not in the upper outer quadrant if you got blood 4 times in a row. Also another possibility, I hope you were inserting the needle all the way in, that is inserted it as far as you planned to before aspirating? the reason for this is that there are more small veins near the surface that in the muscle itself so if you aspirate prior to fully inserting the needle you are more likely to pull blood.

FFM

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-22-2012, 09:23 PM

http://www.inmo.ie/tempDocs/clin_practice-Apr-06.pdf

Use this as a guide.

On a side note, Glute injections are now being phased out of the mainstream and aren't considered best practice due to the close proximity of large blood vessels and nerves. By far the safest, and generally considered the most comfortable spot is the ventrogluteal site (the hip).

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

Its more a matter of time as far as the blood in the syringe. The needle can be changed for a new one with very little loss of AAS.

What concerns me more than the blood in the syringe is why you got it 4 times in a row on a glute shot (glutes are very safe areas for injection) I would suggest that you look at some pictures and videos of glute IM injections as its pretty likely that you were not in the upper outer quadrant if you got blood 4 times in a row. Also another possibility, I hope you were inserting the needle all the way in, that is inserted it as far as you planned to before aspirating? the reason for this is that there are more small veins near the surface that in the muscle itself so if you aspirate prior to fully inserting the needle you are more likely to pull blood.

FFM

I know exactly where to pin in glute is the thing. Same area I have been using. In fact I always look at last pin and go over a few hairs. It was in the right spot. I was using a 1" needle so maybe It wasn't deep enough, although i doubt it because i put pressure to ensure i am deep enough and my bf is 10-11%. It is a bit scary doing all this and playing doctor. I don't know half the time if it's infected or I have an abscess, but I usually get a large hard lump too. Hopefully I am just paranoid or got some harsh gear. Old Kalpa in the brown bottle is known for its PIP, so maybe thats why the lumps are their...

**Bonaparte** · 09-22-2012, 09:27 PM

I don't think I've ever pulled blood. You're doing something very wrong.
What gauge and length needle are you using?
I'm thinking you're probably just pulling a drop of surface capillary blood, not venous.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-22-2012, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

I know exactly where to pin in glute is the thing. Same area I have been using. In fact I always look at last pin and go over a few hairs. It was in the right spot. I was using a 1" needle so maybe It wasn't deep enough, although i doubt it because i put pressure to ensure i am deep enough and my bf is 10-11%. It is a bit scary doing all this and playing doctor. I don't know half the time if it's infected or I have an abscess, but I usually get a large hard lump too. Hopefully I am just paranoid or got some harsh gear. Old Kalpa in the brown bottle is known for its PIP, so maybe thats why the lumps are their...

The hip and the ass are deep IM sites. You need a 1.5 22 or 23 gauge. I like to draw up with an 18g so it pulls easy, then switch to a fresh 23. You only really use a 1 inch on the glutes or shoulder, and unless your really skinny you usually use a 1.5 for those too.

**Bulkn** · 09-22-2012, 09:33 PM

when you aspirated, blood came rushing into the barrel every time or it was just a drop?

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bigshotvictoria

http://www.inmo.ie/tempDocs/clin_practice-Apr-06.pdf

Use this as a guide.

On a side note, Glute injections are now being phased out of the mainstream and aren't considered best practice due to the close proximity of large blood vessels and nerves. By far the safest, and generally considered the most comfortable spot is the ventrogluteal site (the hip).

Good read bro, thanks! Never heard of doing it in the hip. Have to consider that..

**Bulkn** · 09-22-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

I don't think I've ever pulled blood. You're doing something very wrong.
What gauge and length needle are you using?
I'm thinking you're probably just pulling a drop of surface capillary blood, not venous.

This. If you were in a vein alot of blood will flow into the barrel quite quickly. It took me until my second cylce to actually work this out when i finally hit a vein.

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

I don't think I've ever pulled blood. You're doing something very wrong.
What gauge and length needle are you using?
I'm thinking you're probably just pulling a drop of surface capillary blood, not venous.

I was using a 23gx1. Don't know how to tell difference between capillary and venous. Just know I had blood in syringe.

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bulkn

when you aspirated, blood came rushing into the barrel every time or it was just a drop?

I suppose just a drop. I just pushed the blood back out(in the toilet of course) and repinned.

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Bulkn

This. If you were in a vein alot of blood will flow into the barrel quite quickly. It took me until my second cylce to actually work this out when i finally hit a vein.

Ok that makes me feel a bit better. Maybe it was just some surface blood and not a vein.

**Lunk1** · 09-22-2012, 09:41 PM

Ive tapped nerves numerous times but I just back out and scoot over. Only drawn bood once. Pulled out and moved uo an inch or 2. Talking bout quads though. Cant twist to hit glutes and PA friend of mine said not to do glutes on on my own.

**Phased** · 09-22-2012, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

I was using a 23gx1. Don't know how to tell difference between capillary and venous. Just know I had blood in syringe.

If you got the cash you could go to a 25g and its just as effective while not feeling like you are sticking yourself with an elephant needle every time. Your going to have to press harder but thats about it. Hurts less and the oil goes in slower less painful for me.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-22-2012, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

Ok that makes me feel a bit better. Maybe it was just some surface blood and not a vein.

It's painfully obvious if youre in a vessel, the plunger pulls very easy and blood rushes in. A little pink or a small drop is nothing. Bleeding after is normal, your invariably going to hit smaller vessels going in.

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bigshotvictoria

It's painfully obvious if youre in a vessel, the plunger pulls very easy and blood rushes in. A little pink or a small drop is nothing. Bleeding after is normal, your invariably going to hit smaller vessels going in.

Still with any blood at all it would be better to play safe and try another area right?

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-22-2012, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

Still with any blood at all it would be better to play safe and try another area right?

When I was in school I was told something that I now live by.

"when in doubt, there is no doubt"

Better safe than sorry, right?

**Lunk1** · 09-22-2012, 09:48 PM

I don't think we should get confused between sinking a pin and drawing up blood vs pulling out and blood comes out if the pin site. Big diff.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-22-2012, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I don't think we should get confused between sinking a pin and drawing up blood vs pulling out and blood comes out if the pin site. Big diff.

Good point. I was assuming he meant when aspirating.

**Bonaparte** · 09-22-2012, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

Still with any blood at all it would be better to play safe and try another area right?

No. The only concern is a large blood vessel (which will readily fill the syringe with blood). You're just pulling a tiny bit of blood from the shallow tissues that you pierced on the way in. And you're probably aspirating way too hard as well. A tiny tug is all it takes to check for a vacuum.

**Lunk1** · 09-22-2012, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

No. The only concern is a large blood vessel (which will readily fill the syringe with blood). You're just pulling a tiny bit of blood from the shallow tissues that you pierced on the way in. And you're probably aspirating way too hard as well. A tiny tug is all it takes to check for a vacuum.

I know its not the catch all Bonaparte but 90-95% of the time I look for a bubble to pull up...most of the time thats what happens

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bigshotvictoria

Good point. I was assuming he meant when aspirating.

I did

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

No. The only concern is a large blood vessel (which will readily fill the syringe with blood). You're just pulling a tiny bit of blood from the shallow tissues that you pierced on the way in. And you're probably aspirating way too hard as well. A tiny tug is all it takes to check for a vacuum.

Good advise. Maybe I am pulling to hard and long.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-22-2012, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

Good advise. Maybe I am pulling to hard and long.

That's what she said.

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-22-2012, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bigshotvictoria

That's what she said.

Thought someone might say something about that. haha. She liked it though.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-22-2012, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

Thought someone might say something about that. haha. She liked it though.

Sorry. The Office is on.

**warmouth** · 09-22-2012, 11:34 PM

I like 25 gauge myself. 1" for everything. I havent tried anything but the glutes and delts. Too nervous about quads, tris, pecs, and traps. I can get away with 5/8" in the delts though. I could do the same with quads, traps, pecs and tris if needed. Id like to try the quads, but the glutes so comfortable, it is hard to try anywhere else. Plus, I cant pin myself.....

**bigmatt33** · 09-23-2012, 12:02 AM

If I get blood I just pull it out most of the way then change the anle stlightly and try again.

**Bigshotvictoria** · 09-23-2012, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by bigmatt33

If I get blood I just pull it out most of the way then change the anle stlightly and try again.

Nope. If you really get blood, pull out, change your needle, go to a completely new injection site. Go on YouTube and search IM injections. There are a ton of videos used to train RN's and paramedics on safe injection technique.

**Lunk1** · 09-23-2012, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by bigmatt33

If I get blood I just pull it out most of the way then change the anle stlightly and try again.

Thats a GREAT way to tear muscle with the pin....

**that guy1234** · 09-23-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

I know exactly where to pin in glute is the thing. Same area I have been using. In fact I always look at last pin and go over a few hairs. It was in the right spot. I was using a 1" needle so maybe It wasn't deep enough, although i doubt it because i put pressure to ensure i am deep enough and my bf is 10-11%. It is a bit scary doing all this and playing doctor. I don't know half the time if it's infected or I have an abscess, but I usually get a large hard lump too. Hopefully I am just paranoid or got some harsh gear. Old Kalpa in the brown bottle is known for its PIP, so maybe thats why the lumps are their...

So are you using the brown Kalpa test? If so, how do you deal with the pain? I had to get the new clear bottles. I could not deal with not being able to walk anymore. I hit my delt with that one time too. It sucked.

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-23-2012, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by that guy1234

So are you using the brown Kalpa test? If so, how do you deal with the pain? I had to get the new clear bottles. I could not deal with not being able to walk anymore. I hit my delt with that one time too. It sucked.

Ya I am using brown bottle kalpa. My first cycle and I start off with a pharm that gives the worst PIP. At one time I about smashed all my vials and bought new gear. However the stuff does work and is supposed to be good so I am gonna stick it out. My glutes are starting too become a little more accustomed to it so every week it gets easier. I want to try delt, but with the stuff I got think it would be a bad idea. Guess you figured that out.

**kelkel** · 09-23-2012, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

No. The only concern is a large blood vessel (which will readily fill the syringe with blood). You're just pulling a tiny bit of blood from the shallow tissues that you pierced on the way in. And you're probably aspirating way too hard as well. A tiny tug is all it takes to check for a vacuum.

^^This is your answer. If you seriously hit a vein, and I have, there will be no vacuum whatsoever and the plunger will leap back at you when you pull. You will not forget it. The tiny pull as referenced is all that is needed. Just enough to see fluid move.

**Live for the PUMP** · 09-23-2012, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

^^This is your answer. If you seriously hit a vein, and I have, there will be no vacuum whatsoever and the plunger will leap back at you when you pull. You will not forget it. The tiny pull as referenced is all that is needed. Just enough to see fluid move.

Thanks for re-clarification. I usually pull back a lot on plunger to be sure there is no blood. Now that I know this I will just do little tug and note the vacuum feel.

**krugerr** · 09-24-2012, 01:57 AM

This thread is actually quite informative. I thought I'd hit a vein on my second course, but maybe I was aspirating too hard. I typically pull back until I just start to see a vacuum bubble appear. I've never had blood flow freely into the barrel though.

This sort of detail is never really told to people when they first start. It's usually just "pull on the plunger to check for blood".

Good question, and good replies.

Krugerr