cycle while reducing on valium?

**scoobs1986** · 10-02-2012, 04:09 AM

To start with, i changed my user name and I have done a previous cycle of sustanon 500pw and dbol 30mg pd

Long Story,

I took Xanax for about a month and now and am on Valium 90mg per day decreasing ( I have a High tolerance) since i wasn't on it for a long time my guess is that I could come of it in a short time frame.

I am planning to do a cycle for about 8 weeks ( because i have to go over seas)Starting ASAP
I am 200kg Muscular frame build and have put on a decent amount of muscle. Diet is in check and 13% BF

My cycle plan is to bulk and from my last experience I lost fat as well.

My cycle:
Sus mon and thurs 250 for 8 weeks
Dbol 35 daily for 5 weeks

I have Nolvadex on hand and everything set to go.
I have also had t3/clen with the above cycle.

So my two questions would be is it safe re blood pressure etc to be on ass and Valium ( while reducing the valium)?
I would get checked for bp etc by a doctor.

Also could i mix some T3 in there aswell?

Thanks

people

**mglenn79** · 10-02-2012, 04:18 AM

200kg!!! That's 440lbs, and at 13% bf? Why aren't you at the Olympia?

**scoobs1986** · 10-02-2012, 04:40 AM

oh shit sorry my weight is 95kg ha ha i was thinking lb also im in my higher 20's

**Mrcivil** · 10-02-2012, 06:41 AM

From personal experience I have come off benzodiazepines it is not easy to come off I would leave the cycle on hold until your clear of your reduction. Benzodiazepines like Valium can do a lot of nasty shit to your body when you come off train hard eat well hold off on the cycle til your off trust me

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-02-2012, 07:50 AM

Scoobs, why are you taking Valium? Is it per doctor's prescription or recreational? If it's by RX, is he aware that you are going to stop taking your medication?

AD · 10-02-2012, 08:21 AM

Valium 90mg ed is a massive dose. I doubt you can come off even if you try. Might takes wks or even months to tail off. You probably need to see a psychiatrist.

**DanB** · 10-02-2012, 08:49 AM

I would be very surprised if you are being pescribed that high a dose, it is usually unheard of even during an opiate detox so i assume you perscribed 30-40mg and self perscribe the rest

Consult your doctor, if you come off too quick you are guranteed benzo fits and they very dangerous actually you will prob endure a few benzo fits regardless of how you come off them

Personally i would consult your doc and speak to him about an in patient detox

Sounds extreme but necessary in my opinion and if you taper down dose beforehand to 40-50mg then the detox will be a week max

So again CONSULT YOUR DOC i cannot stress this enough

No judgement here mate dont hesitate to pm me if you would like to speak about this any further, unfortunately i also have experience in this area............

**scoobs1986** · 10-02-2012, 03:59 PM

Thanks everyone for the response
I am getting prescribed it but bby pick up morning and noon with some take aways, i am seeing a doc, psychiatrist and a specialist. All is legit. The reason was my xanax use at a high dose. Also my total use this time of benzos is around a4-5 weeks so my thought process is that before my bosy becomes too accustomed to the dose i should taper ASAP.
Also the father passed away thats why I got on XANAX not prescribed, then asked for help.

Thanks everyone, i was thinking 5mg taper over two days see how i feel.

Ive been through these withdrawals and i know they are ****ing hell but im ready and strong.
Im eating so dam clean and taking everything i can to hold minimise the side effects and stabilise my body back to normal.

Thanks everyone

**scoobs1986** · 10-03-2012, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

I would be very surprised if you are being pescribed that high a dose, it is usually unheard of even during an opiate detox so i assume you perscribed 30-40mg and self perscribe the rest

Consult your doctor, if you come off too quick you are guranteed benzo fits and they very dangerous actually you will prob endure a few benzo fits regardless of how you come off them

Personally i would consult your doc and speak to him about an in patient detox

Sounds extreme but necessary in my opinion and if you taper down dose beforehand to 40-50mg then the detox will be a week max

So again CONSULT YOUR DOC i cannot stress this enough

No judgement here mate dont hesitate to pm me if you would like to speak about this any further, unfortunately i also have experience in this area............

too quick? since i have only been on it for a short term would that come into play?
could I say cut back 5mg eod?
Thanks for your help

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by scoobs1986

too quick? since i have only been on it for a short term would that come into play?
could I say cut back 5mg eod?
Thanks for your help

It has still had enough time to build up in your blood

I would come down 5mg every 4-5 days otherwise you will have it rough once you try get below 30-40mg but seriously mate consult your doc

**Stosh_112** · 10-03-2012, 03:48 AM

^^^^^ Agree. Benzos are tough enough trying to get off them, let alone throwing test into the mix.. Could be a very wild roller coaster ride.

**Mrcivil** · 10-03-2012, 03:52 AM

Be very careful trying to come down to quickly you can get seizures from reducing to quickly trust me I know I have been down some dark paths and come off of benzos several times once I did it to quick and had a tick and suffered seizures it is not pleasant go slowly on your taper off listen to your body and your doctor hold off on the cycle until you are off you will be better for it. Hope it all goes well

**Mrcivil** · 10-03-2012, 03:53 AM

Pm me if you have any questions I may be able to help I have a lot of experience in this regard but definitely speak to your doctor as well you can die from benzo detox

**scoobs1986** · 10-03-2012, 04:03 AM

dammit i hate benzos they are the devil. Consulting doctor tomorrow morning. thanks.

I know it would be hard on my body but my eagerness to use whats currently stocked is well... hard to resist getting big.

thank you

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by scoobs1986

dammit i hate benzos they are the devil. Consulting doctor tomorrow morning. thanks.

I know it would be hard on my body but my eagerness to use whats currently stocked is well... hard to resist getting big.

thank you

Also i would hold off on cycle

Your appetite will be non existant for a while

**Mrcivil** · 10-03-2012, 04:13 AM

It's a hard temptation to fight but it's all the more rewarding if you hold off on your cycle

**scoobs1986** · 10-03-2012, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Mrcivil

It's a hard temptation to fight but it's all the more rewarding if you hold off on your cycle

ADVICE taken thanks Mtcivil I needed a slap in the face, I am not a patient person. thank you

**Mrcivil** · 10-03-2012, 05:04 AM

All good hang in there it's a bumpy rd to come down but it's much better down the other end of the rd

**scoobs1986** · 10-04-2012, 04:56 AM

thanks Mrcivil and everyone
I consulted my doc and she is taking me off 10mg pw

Already feeling it can anyone suggest anything to help with the side effects? ibruprofen ?anything? Mind in a puzzle, jitters, slurred speech my vocabulary has gone out the window and my muscles ache.

Also exercise while reducing, taking it easy? im into cycling for cardio.

thank you

**Mrcivil** · 10-04-2012, 06:32 AM

Vitamin b is fantastic while reducing ibuprofen and paracetamol are great as pain relief together drink heaps of water eat what you can and just take it easy try to rest and sleep as much as you can it won't be easy if you feel up to exercise don't push it to hard also berocca is good for mental alertness

**senorrebo** · 10-04-2012, 10:17 AM

I've come off of both valium and xanax very abruptly and it is horrible. I would definitely not recommend starting a cycle on top of that. With the dosage you're on, it's not gonna be fun. Tons of water, sleep when you can and you can try valerian.

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by scoobs1986

thanks Mrcivil and everyone
I consulted my doc and she is taking me off 10mg pw

Already feeling it can anyone suggest anything to help with the side effects? ibruprofen ?anything? Mind in a puzzle, jitters, slurred speech my vocabulary has gone out the window and my muscles ache.

Also exercise while reducing, taking it easy? im into cycling for cardio.

thank you

Ibroupfen may help to briefly take the edge off the aches/pains but unfortunately you will have to just push through them

You will have it rough for a while but once you get through it then your life will be far better

Glad to hear you have started, it takes guts

Melatonin may help you to settle at night but unfortunately you may struggle sleeping for a while

plenty of fluids and shakes if you cannot eat

and yes excerise if you like, the endorphins may make you feel a little better for a while

feel free to pm me if you want to know anything

**scoobs1986** · 10-05-2012, 03:45 PM

omg its terrible
my state is plenty of water fridge dull of vegies going through a full detox healthy meats, cut back on caffeine and sugar. Oh the pain . htnkas everyone for the support and you will be hearing back from me again once its over and my cycle healthy kicks in im excited about the future

**Scabtree** · 10-05-2012, 05:58 PM

At 90mg per day, it would take nearly a year to get off it completely... Although Valium is said to be easier that many of the benzos to come off of.

**DanB** · 10-05-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by scoobs1986

omg its terrible
my state is plenty of water fridge dull of vegies going through a full detox healthy meats, cut back on caffeine and sugar. Oh the pain . htnkas everyone for the support and you will be hearing back from me again once its over and my cycle healthy kicks in im excited about the future

again i'll say fair play for going through with it, it takes a man to stand and fight his demons

ive subscribed to his thread so any more quesions just bump it or pm when your able to

**dec11** · 10-05-2012, 08:38 PM

try and get some tramadol to come off with and phase it out over a few weeks. talk to your doc about it though.

**bigmatt33** · 10-06-2012, 12:32 AM

You might find it not so easy to just titrate your dose down. I have a lot of experience with benzo withdraw, having been addicted to them for a few years. I came really close to dying once. Benzo detox is the most dangerous of any drug. Best of luck to you. I had to go to rehab for that.

**scoobs1986** · 10-06-2012, 07:41 AM

the doc siad 10% everyweek im handing it pretty well and copping listening to my body and taking my take aways when i need then. If i can handle it im thinking about dropping 15% every week?

see how my body reacted i know its up and down and crazy i just want off

regards

**scoobs1986** · 10-08-2012, 02:58 PM

bump
say cut a 5mg pill in half on monday then again on thus/friday

thanks everyone

can't wait to come back to the forums in better form
exercise is hard i go for rides but i get headached 8/10 and sweat like hell, im drinking alot of water everyday i mean a shit loat i cant get enough and cut out sugar still caffiene one coffee in the morning though i am chain smoking.

AD · 10-08-2012, 09:30 PM

be careful not to switch from one form of addiction to another.

good luck bro

**snowblowjoe** · 10-08-2012, 09:50 PM

I'm not a doctor but I was basically a professional junkie for about 20 years. I've been on benzos off and on for a decade. The key is to just taper. I didn't see what your dosage was but for example if you usually take 5mg a day then take half of that for 10 days, then half of that for 7 days, then when you're down to your last mg er so get some clonidine bp medication and methadone. Methadone because it lasts so long in your system that it well take over the withdrawals so you really don't feel the wd's at all because the methadone is in your system for days. Get like 5 or so 10mg but don't take them all at once.

**snowblowjoe** · 10-08-2012, 09:51 PM

Just to make clear the methadone isn't a requirement it just makes the days a lot more enjoyable and a lot less miserable

**DanB** · 10-08-2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

Just to make clear the methadone isn't a requirement it just makes the days a lot more enjoyable and a lot less miserable

Until you begin to like it too much and try get off it

To be honest it pretty shitty advise, using a stronger drug to detox with

I know your saying to only use for a few days, but thats what everybody intends to do at the start.........

AD · 10-08-2012, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by asiandude

be careful not to switch from one form of addiction to another.

good luck bro

Originally Posted by DanB

Until you begin to like it too much and try get off it

To be honest it pretty shitty advise, using a stronger drug to detox with

I know your saying to only use for a few days, but thats what everybody intends to do at the start.........

exactly what i said. totally agree.

**snowblowjoe** · 10-09-2012, 05:50 AM

Danb. Methadone doesn't give you any euphoria of unless it's mixed with a decent dose of benzo's and sense his dose will be so small the methadone really won't give him euphoria to make an him addicted.

I prefeced my statement with the fact I'm not a doctor I just know I've done this 1000 * and this is what worked best for me

**snowblowjoe** · 10-09-2012, 05:52 AM

For me methadone guessing no pleasure whatsoever unless I mix it with benzo's if I mixed it with a lot of benzo's then it's 1 of the greatest highs you can get. But not a decent dose of benzo's and it's worthless at least to me it so that's why that's the advice I gave

**DanB** · 10-09-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

Danb. Methadone doesn't give you any euphoria of unless it's mixed with a decent dose of benzo's and sense his dose will be so small the methadone really won't give him euphoria to make an him addicted.

I prefeced my statement with the fact I'm not a doctor I just know I've done this 1000 * and this is what worked best for me

If you take enough then it has same effect as heroin, no tolerance and 40ml (40mg) can easily kill you, it happens regularly over here, its in a liquid form here and and UK, people down half a bottle thinking it is nothing, then they dont wake up

I see where your coming from but since the OP has no experience with it then I would never advise people to fvck with it, it can be very dangerous and addictive if fvcked with and a detox is worse then any drug

The OP is doing well, best way forward for him is to continue following his docs advise, when he clean then give it few weeks to get his appetite and energy back then start his cycle if he still wants to

**Far from massive** · 10-09-2012, 10:55 AM

Methadone has no effect on Benzo detox. they are completely different drugs and using Methadone to "make the days more enjoyable" has to be some of the worst advice I have ever heard for a Benzo addict seeking recovery.

The fact that you (the OP) are on 90mg of valium and functional shows that your body is still very tolerant of Benzo's due to this its likely that withdrawel will be rough, however not to worry its a desert many have crossed and as long as you do it slowly and carefully and don't switch to another compound its a journy you only have to make once.

PS I started shooting smack in the early 70s and was one of the first 100 people in the DC area on methadone. Most fail to realize methadone was never intended to cure heroin addition it was mearly a way to wharehouse heroin addicts to avoid the costs to society of crime and imprisonment of addicts.

**snowblowjoe** · 10-09-2012, 01:58 PM

Methadone only felt like heroin to me if I was on a good dose of benzo's if I wasn't on any benzo's methadone sucks I didn't like it at all. Are we positive he has no experience with methadone? If he took 2 10mg pills a day for a couple days he would not overdose. I'm just going on personal experience and facts.

**HereinDC** · 10-09-2012, 05:46 PM

My experience with taking a Xanax type medication...

120 days of a same dosage medication amount to KNOW if that dosage is right for you.

And now on Valium......I'd be 6 months of same steady medication before you even think of doing a cycle...if at all.

Let the medication do,it's job. ...with out interference .