Important things

**Aus** · 01-23-2013, 07:14 AM

Guys,

Anything you think is very important to keep in consideration when ON CYCLE.

Anything you experienced and wanna share especially for people on their first cycle.

Thanks

**t-dogg** · 01-23-2013, 07:17 AM

Yes, dont hit a nerve going in.

**Fraser1994** · 01-23-2013, 07:19 AM

You will need PCT (Nolva+Clomid) and (Armidex) on hand if sides get bad.
500mg EW of test-e should be a great first cycle from what I've researched!

Also keep off pre workouts because your blood pressure will rise on cycle!

**t-dogg** · 01-23-2013, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Fraser1994

You will need PCT (Nolva+Clomid) and (Armidex) on hand if sides get bad.
500mg EW of test-e should be a great first cycle from what I've researched!

Also keep off pre workouts because your blood pressure will rise on cycle!

No. AI should be used no matter what on cycle. Nolva and Clomid is for PCT and should be used also. Nothing wrong with pre-workout stuff at all. I use them ALL the time.

**Aus** · 01-23-2013, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Yes, dont hit a nerve going in.

Nice one

very important

Originally Posted by Fraser1994

keep off pre workouts because your blood pressure will rise on cycle!

nice one mate, but frankly who will need those sh!tty per-workout sh!t when u r on TEST (yummy)

**Aus** · 01-23-2013, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Nothing wrong with pre-workout stuff at all. I use them ALL the time.

They sucks, never let me sleep , do u need per-wo when on test?

**t-dogg** · 01-23-2013, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Aus

They sucks, never let me sleep , do u need per-wo when on test?

No you do not need it, But with my training routine before I was training 3-4 times a day. So it was very hard keeping up. Water, tea, coffee, and pwo mixes helped me.

**Aus** · 01-23-2013, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

No you do not need it, But with my training routine before I was training 3-4 times a day. So it was very hard keeping up. Water, tea, coffee, and pwo mixes helped me.

Oh yeah,

Why u were training 4 times a day, computation etc?

**t-dogg** · 01-23-2013, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Aus

Oh yeah,

Why u were training 4 times a day, computation etc?

Yes. I train/ compete in mma and bjj.

**The Bear 79** · 01-23-2013, 08:06 AM

Watch your cholesterol & blood pressure closely, these two things can seek up on you & take you right out of this world in very short order, they are known as "the silent killer". As for pre workout supps, I use them because my workouts are very intense & long, & there's nothing wrong with using them, you will figure out after a couple workouts if you're gonna need them.

**Aus** · 01-23-2013, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Yes. I train/ compete in mma and bjj.

Nice , I am a fighter too

MMA, had 3 fights yet. WLD:2/0/1
Training for 4 years now especially MMA, wrestling n BJJ

**Aus** · 01-23-2013, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Watch your cholesterol & blood pressure closely, these two things can seek up on you & take you right out of this world in very short order, they are known as "the silent killer". As for pre workout supps, I use them because my workouts are very intense & long, & there's nothing wrong with using them, you will figure out after a couple workouts if you're gonna need them.

Thanks bear bro, very important info, my last blood test, my doc said I have a slightly high cholesterol level, guess this is the only thing I m worried about. What is the best way to monitor it, BP machine and/or blood tests?

**warmouth** · 01-23-2013, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Watch your cholesterol & blood pressure closely, these two things can seek up on you & take you right out of this world in very short order, they are known as "the silent killer". As for pre workout supps, I use them because my workouts are very intense & long, & there's nothing wrong with using them, you will figure out after a couple workouts if you're gonna need them.

Dont overlook this OP. Of all things, these are the worst, and they get the least amount of coverage. BP and cholesterol are very importand to keep under control.

**The Bear 79** · 01-23-2013, 08:16 AM

You can buy a blood pressure monitor at a drug store. But your cholesterol will need to be monitored through blood work. However.............there are a couple things you can do to lower & stabilize your cholesterol, eat lots of oats & get yourself a gallic supplement.

**joe_19** · 01-23-2013, 08:16 AM

always keep an ai on hand put effort into PCT. because bad pct = bad sides lost gains and future damage.....

**Aus** · 01-23-2013, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by warmouth

Dont overlook this OP. Of all things, these are the worst, and they get the least amount of coverage. BP and cholesterol are very importand to keep under control.

I m for sure worrying about it, I might have to look into it further.

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

You can buy a blood pressure monitor at a drug store. But your cholesterol will need to be monitored through blood work. However.............there are a couple things you can do to lower & stabilize your cholesterol, eat lots of oats & get yourself a gallic supplement.

How often u reckon the blood test on cycle?

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**clarky.** · 01-23-2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Fraser1994

You will need PCT (Nolva+Clomid) and (Armidex) on hand if sides get bad.
500mg EW of test-e should be a great first cycle from what I've researched!

Also keep off pre workouts because your blood pressure will rise on cycle!

Always use AI on cycle your nolva and clomid is for pct.

**The Bear 79** · 01-23-2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Aus

I m for sure worrying about it, I might have to look into it further.

How often u reckon the blood test on cycle?

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If I had high cholesterol, I'd get it under control before I cycled. But if you're gonna cycle regardless, I would get bloods before my first injection, mid cycle, same week as last injection & then 4 - 6 weeks after PCT. I know it seems to be a bit overkill, but I'd rather be accused of overkill than have someone looking down on me in my coffin saying "if only he had kept closer track of his cholesterol".

**warmouth** · 01-23-2013, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Aus

I m for sure worrying about it, I might have to look into it further.

How often u reckon the blood test on cycle?

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Get it checked at least once, midway through if it is a 12+weeker. Shoot for around week 7-9. If it a short 6-8 weeker, get them checked after. Just get a full lipids panel, not full BW, asthere could be raised red flags. Gt a BP monitor. They are cheap, and are one of the best tools you can have while "on". I check mine ED or at least EOD. Do as the Bear said, and also add 3-4 grams of fish oil split throughout the day, and supplement with CoQ10. Flaxseed oil is another good one to supplement with as well. All are cheap, save for the CoQ10, but I get mine at the dollar store for next to nothing. 300mgs for 90 softgels, and it only cost around 16-20 bucks. Eat lots of oats, like he said, and eat lots of leafy greens like kale, spinach, collards, turnips, etc. You'll be fine.

**warmouth** · 01-23-2013, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

If I had high cholesterol, I'd get it under control before I cycled. But if you're gonna cycle regardless, I would get bloods before my first injection, mid cycle, same week as last injection & then 4 - 6 weeks after PCT. I know it seems to be a bit overkill, but I'd rather be accused of overkill than have someone looking down on me in my coffin saying "if only he had kept closer track of his cholesterol".

In bold. I assumed you already had up to date BW and were good to go. If not, this is perfect. So far for my assumptions. And he is right, you cant have enough BW. I have it done every 6 months off cycle. I have it done monthly at the moment due to prescriptions. The problem is with getting BW done very often without reasoning from a doctor, insurance wont pay for it all of the time. A lipid panel isnt very expensive, usually 60-100 dollars, but it gets expensive when you test for CBC and Testosterone . Lipids arent too bad. Well worth going the extra to be sure you are safe. No body in the world is worth an early grave just to look good for a few months.

**clarky.** · 01-23-2013, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

If I had high cholesterol, I'd get it under control before I cycled. But if you're gonna cycle regardless, I would get bloods before my first injection, mid cycle, same week as last injection & then 4 - 6 weeks after PCT. I know it seems to be a bit overkill, but I'd rather be accused of overkill than have someone looking down on me in my coffin saying "if only he had kept closer track of his cholesterol".

Well said big man.

**clarky.** · 01-23-2013, 09:02 AM

I would follow warmouth and bears advice.

**warmouth** · 01-23-2013, 09:09 AM

Taking 5mgs of cialis a day wouldnt be a bad thing either, for BP issues. I can assure you that your BP will elevate a bit. Probably nothing out of range, but cialis will help you keep it maintained. 5mgs daily, or 10-20mgs EOD or E3D. It has a long half life for what it is. I am at 15mgs EOD and love it!

**Emerald** · 01-23-2013, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by joe_19

always keep an ai on hand put effort into PCT. because bad pct = bad sides lost gains and future damage.....

Could you be more specific? I'm ending my cycle soon and will start PTC. I didn't know it required effort and bad PTC can screw up gains. thanks

**warmouth** · 01-23-2013, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Emerald

Could you be more specific? I'm ending my cycle soon and will start PTC. I didn't know it required effort and bad PTC can screw up gains. thanks

Just be specific with the times you take the nolva and clomid. Keep your calories high, train with intensity.

**Aus** · 01-23-2013, 07:53 PM

I am trying to control it before I go on cycle, it has been two months since my last blood test and cholesterol was slightly high, doc said just one point up above normal which is not harmful, I am giving myself a time , in next couple of months I will go blood test again before steroids and hopefully cholesterol level will be under control.