Gyno will not go

[Techart]

Hi everyone I started a cycle of a test 400 blend which was 2.5 ml a week which was 2 shots of 500mg 1.25 ml a week x2 and 400 mg or trenbalone a week in 2 shots. I have had a problem with gyno within the first 2 1/2 weeks I have been taking letro when this started and been having not very promising results I have been forced to cut the cycle short. Now I have seen a subsidence of the gyno. But it's still a problem what do I do I've been taking 0.8ml a day and it only just seems to stop the discomfort. But the lump remains ? I'm stuck with ideas now as I usually have no problem wih gyno any help ????

[austinite]

How do you know you got gyno 2 weeks in? is it an actual ball like lump?

[cro]

is this your first time running tren ?id run nolva at 40 mg until lump goes away then drop down to 20 mg for a week

[Gaspaco]

How do you know you got gyno 2 weeks in? is it an actual ball like lump?

Exactly! I believe your tren is enanthate if your doing 2shots a week, getting gyno in second week with long ester?

[AnabolicDoc]

Hi everyone I started a cycle of a test 400 blend which was 2.5 ml a week which was 2 shots of 500mg 1.25 ml a week x2 and 400 mg or trenbalone a week in 2 shots. I have had a problem with gyno within the first 2 1/2 weeks I have been taking letro when this started and been having not very promising results I have been forced to cut the cycle short. Now I have seen a subsidence of the gyno. But it's still a problem what do I do I've been taking 0.8ml a day and it only just seems to stop the discomfort. But the lump remains ? I'm stuck with ideas now as I usually have no problem wih gyno any help ????

If you decide it is gyno, I would follow the above recommendation RE Nolva but keep running the letro as well and taper once the gyno has fully resolved. Also, stop all AAS if you haven't already (unless you generally also take a TRT dose, but it doesn't sound like this is the case).

I think those that question whether it is actually gyno make a good point. How did this develop so quickly when you usually don't have any problems with gyno? But there must be short and mid-acting esters in your testosterone blend (propionate , acetate, phenylpropionate, and/or isocaproate). Is this your first time with a blend or short acting test ester?

Good luck. Keep us posted.

[AnabolicDoc]

I've also read of many experiences where ppl used cabergoline (0.5mg 2x/wk) to treat gyno and claimed it to be very effective. I imagine it would be particularly useful if the culprit was a 19-nor progesterone.

[kelkel]

Op, to be clear you were not taking an AI initially? Only after gyno symptoms arose? I'm curious if the issue was already there just not noticed and now due to a spike in E and related sensitivity you now "feel" it and hyperfocus on it, which is normal.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238910

[AnabolicDoc]

I came across this post. The poster makes many good and interesting points and offers a lot of info worth considering.

What is gyno?

Gyno is the growth of large mammary gland tissue in a males breast/chest area under the skin below the nipple.

Gyno is not only a physical aliment but represents a imbalance of hormones in a males body which must be corrected.

Possible gyno symptoms:
- Sensitive nipples
- Blood or discharge from nipples
- Lump right under left or right nipples or both
-All of thee above

C_Bino's thread is very good and I used it myself, thank God for him and his accomplishments, but letro is a very potent and harsh compound and wrecks you. Be sure that before doing anything to get bloodwork done.

The way C_Bino has you run the protocol is a suicide run - you will crash your E2 and it takes a while to come out of it, and furthermore you will have to watch for high potential rebound gyno after coming off, so nolvadex is still needed. I think it is possible to reverse gyno without doing the suicide run. Nolvadex and DHT Cream is what I tested and it works.

When using any hormones, anabolics, growth, test creams, any kind of hormones, its better safe than sorry to always have nolvadex on hand at the minimum. Going forth though I would recommend having Aromasin /Prami/Nolvadex/Letro/DHT Cream on had at all times, that way the day you feel a problem you can address it immediately.

How do you reverse gyno. Well there are several ways to do it. Depends on severity, how long you have had it and so forth..up until this point I thought you have to crash your E2 to start the recovery process. Lets go over what a E2 Crash is.

During an E2 freefall crash you are taking whatever your estrogen sensitive (e2) points from its current level to less than 10 points, side effects are the following:
- No libido
-No Erections
- No energy
- Muscle cramps, extreme muscle cramps, fatigue, headaches, body aches, joint stiffness/pain, heart pain, chest pain, shooting pain from Neck to heart and chest
- Loss of motivation, low self esteem, low self worth, fragile, improper thinking about what is going on, unusual or out of the ordinary thoughts
- Fragile nails and hair, no growth, complete shutdown of general health and overall well-being.
A complete shutdown of a normal way of life
Try to avoid this if at all possible

A possible workup and work around could be one or two of the following:

Atomini and I came up with this protocol, which is generally less harsh than C_Bino's letro run:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UEHC52ie6WU

This next option I think this option could be the best one yet, (and could be the final and best answer with the least amount of side effects) and no E2 crash involved is: Nolvadex and Andractim 5%. This actually could make you feel better, not worse.

That's why it looks so promising to me for a few reasons. The concept makes sense and it's not a suicide run like the other two. Ordering the kit it takes a full 2 weeks from the day you order to your front door. So be aware of that, comes from Europe and includes a PSA Free Testing Kit. I tried to get some from my doctor or a pharmacy to compound it... not going to happen. Just order it from dhtcream.com and save yourself the Dr. Appointment and headache of it trying to get it here.

What is DHT and whats is DHT Cream?

DHT Cream/Gel
www.dhtcream.com
http://dihydrotestosterone.info/

Dihydrotestosterone is final conversion of Testosterone . We all have it in our blood. Many different steroids are also made of purely DHT, which help control Estrogen Related Side Effects such as Gynocomastia
How does DHT protect against estrogen?

There are at least three ways that this likely occurs. First of all, DHT directly inhibits estrogens activity on tissues. It either does this by acting as a competitive antagonist to the estrogen receptor or by decreasing estrogen-induced RNA transcription at a point subsequent to estrogen receptor binding.

Second of all, DHT and its metabolites have been shown to directly block the production of estrogens from androgens by inhibiting the activity of the aromatase enzyme. The studies done in breast tissue showed that DHT, androsterone, and 5alpha-androstandione are potent inhibitors of the formation of estrone from androstenedione. 5alpha-androstandione was shown to be the most potent, while androsterone was the least.

Lastly, DHT acts on the hypothalamus / pituitary to decrease the secretion of gonadotropins. By decreasing the secretion of gonadotropins you decrease the production of the raw materials for estrogen production - testosterone and androstenedione (DHT itself cannot aromatize into estrogens.

Going for the I would use this treatment as first line of defense, if it does worth try the aromasin/prami/nova..if all else fails letro. I went the other way around which was the worst thing you can and could possibly do
My Nolvadex/DHT treatment plan

Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20/20
Andractim 5% ED 3 Months
Dosing 1.25% four times a day to ensure optimum absorption and steady blood levels, also trying to do 5% all at once you just going to waste a lot cause its too much at one time. Split it up.

My gyno was bad and didn't have the DHT cream/gel on hand and to not finding out about it until 3-4 weeks into two different treatment plans C_Binos and mine. So, I could not wait and I didn't want it to get worse and therefore I have had to run all three of these treatments. However that might not be necessary for you or anyone else.

Gyno is tricky, stubborn and relentless. So you have to be prepared for a long uphill fight and many different options and angles to take it from, but it is beatable if caught early and the lumps do not harden. I think if you start one of these treatment plans within 2-4 weeks of first symptoms you have a reasonable 80-90% chance of beating it for good.

I really believe and hope the Nolvadex and DHT Cream will work for you the way it worked for me. And you will avoid a E2 crash.. If i Had all the knowledge first I would run this first, but didnt find out about it until I did two suicide runs with letro and Aromasin

*Special note these treatments will only work if you catch gyno and it has no metastasized for years in your breast tissue and thus hardened in to nodules..lumps..etc....At that point surgery might be the only option.

All research chems used were from Ar-r .com, top shelf products.
Liquid Stane
Letro
Prami
Nolvadex

DHT Cream/Gel
www.dhtcream.com
http://dihydrotestosterone.info/