Is test e not giving good result for cutting like test prop ?
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Is test e not giving good result for cutting like test prop ?
Test is Test!
Test is good compound for cutting.
Doesn't matter what ester you'll use, loosing body fat depends on your DIET.
how much percent [%] of fat can i achieve without using steroids ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaspaco
Likely only slightly less than you could with steroids. In fact, it is very likely the end results could be the same, with or without - that is just how profound diet is in weight loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jix
I know what you're going thru. I'm on test-e too. it has some results but it's mostly diet
Test is test; prop enanthate or cypionate, your results will not change. its just timeframe of action that differs.
Diet will decide if you lose bodyfat % or not. Not the compound you use
Loosing fat depends on your DIET, but with the help of test you wont get to catabolism and you won lose too much muscle during your diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jix
The main reason BB use Prop for cutting is that Prop holds less water than Test E. Generally, longer the ester the more water is retained by the body to break down the ester.
Agreed ^^^ so if you control the water retention you can cut on any type of test without any issues. I do it all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
^^^Perfect example right here^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
If you want to go into more detail on this:
Here is an example. Testosterone propionate is a three carbon chain ester: c-c-c. This just means there is three carbons in the chain. As we know the half life of testosterone propionate is amongst the shortest of the testosterone esters (compared to enanthate, cypionate, etc). Testosterone enanthate has eight carbons: c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c. This makes the enanthate form significantly less soluble in water (acqueous) which slows the drug's release in the body and bloodstream.
How exactly does this affect water retention?Quote:
Originally Posted by panntastic
I believe its because longer esters are more water soluble, meaning more water is needed to break it down to release the active compound.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBJT200
Which will cause more water retention.
I have been looking/experimenting foe a work around for this. My water retention gets really bad on long ester cycles.
Steriods will help keep muscle while dietingQuote:
Originally Posted by Jix
They do aid in fat loss as well. But diet, diet, diet, diet is paramount!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pittsburgh412
Yeah diet is 90%Quote:
Originally Posted by gymfu
More Muscle=More Calories Burned
Regarding water retention
As long as e2 levels are stable and controlled by an ai and sodium intake is very low regardless of which ester is used water retention should be minimal.
That's not necessarily true, this is person specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by panntastic
I used test enan for my last cut. It has very good characteristics when used in a very strict calorie deficit. It seems to really help you retain the muscle you already have without having muscle loss from the calorie deficit.
Worked very well on my last long cut. I like keeping the dosage low, at around 150mg per week.
Just gets addictive, it works very well when you decide to go real harsh on a cal deficit giving you the hard defined look.
i dont use prop anymore b/c it kills whatever muscle i inject it into, so for any cycle im doing, cutting or bulking or anything, ill use a long estered test. seems pretty similar to me with not much of a difference, but diet is always spot on and i use an AI. but you can use any test as long as your diet is good.
Hello out there how many threads and how many posts does one have to hear to understand. Read the Steoid profiles and see which one promote what you want. Promote not do it. You do it with diet. As was said over and over without calories you will not bulk with any steroid but you can get bigger with any. You can diet into a show with almost any steroid (almost) if you diet, diet, diet right and train and do your cardio. Diet and cardio, then do whatever steroid, but diet for what you want and use appropriate cardio for what you want. Prety simple theory that works. ...crazy mike
You have the most awesome name on this site....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter-S-Thompson
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy mike
I never heard of Prop killing the muscle you inject to
Think he means hurtsQuote:
Originally Posted by orbitz21
Oh ok, now it makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by panntastic