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    Test E for cutting

    Is test e not giving good result for cutting like test prop ?

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    Test is Test!

    Test is good compound for cutting.

    Doesn't matter what ester you'll use, loosing body fat depends on your DIET.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaspaco View Post
    Test is Test!

    Test is good compound for cutting.

    Doesn't matter what ester you'll use, loosing body fat depends on your DIET.
    how much percent [%] of fat can i achieve without using steroids ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jix View Post
    how much percent [%] of fat can i achieve without using steroids ?
    Likely only slightly less than you could with steroids . In fact, it is very likely the end results could be the same, with or without - that is just how profound diet is in weight loss.

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    I know what you're going thru. I'm on test-e too. it has some results but it's mostly diet

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    Test is test; prop enanthate or cypionate , your results will not change. its just timeframe of action that differs.

    Diet will decide if you lose bodyfat % or not. Not the compound you use

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jix

    how much percent [%] of fat can i achieve without using steroids ?
    Loosing fat depends on your DIET, but with the help of test you wont get to catabolism and you won lose too much muscle during your diet.

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    The main reason BB use Prop for cutting is that Prop holds less water than Test E. Generally, longer the ester the more water is retained by the body to break down the ester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    The main reason BB use Prop for cutting is that Prop holds less water than Test E. Generally, longer the ester the more water is retained by the body to break down the ester.
    Agreed ^^^ so if you control the water retention you can cut on any type of test without any issues. I do it all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
    The main reason BB use Prop for cutting is that Prop holds less water than Test E. Generally, longer the ester the more water is retained by the body to break down the ester.
    ^^^Perfect example right here^^^

    If you want to go into more detail on this:
    Here is an example. Testosterone propionate is a three carbon chain ester: c-c-c. This just means there is three carbons in the chain. As we know the half life of testosterone propionate is amongst the shortest of the testosterone esters (compared to enanthate , cypionate , etc). Testosterone enanthate has eight carbons: c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c. This makes the enanthate form significantly less soluble in water (acqueous) which slows the drug's release in the body and bloodstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panntastic View Post
    ^^^Perfect example right here^^^

    If you want to go into more detail on this:
    Here is an example. Testosterone propionate is a three carbon chain ester: c-c-c. This just means there is three carbons in the chain. As we know the half life of testosterone propionate is amongst the shortest of the testosterone esters (compared to enanthate, cypionate, etc). Testosterone enanthate has eight carbons: c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c. This makes the enanthate form significantly less soluble in water (acqueous) which slows the drug's release in the body and bloodstream.
    How exactly does this affect water retention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBJT200 View Post
    How exactly does this affect water retention?
    I believe its because longer esters are more water soluble, meaning more water is needed to break it down to release the active compound.

    Which will cause more water retention.

    I have been looking/experimenting foe a work around for this. My water retention gets really bad on long ester cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jix

    how much percent [%] of fat can i achieve without using steroids ?
    Steriods will help keep muscle while dieting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittsburgh412 View Post
    Steriods will help keep muscle while dieting
    They do aid in fat loss as well. But diet, diet, diet, diet is paramount!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfu

    They do aid in fat loss as well. But diet, diet, diet, diet is paramount!
    Yeah diet is 90%
    More Muscle=More Calories Burned

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    Regarding water retention
    As long as e2 levels are stable and controlled by an ai and sodium intake is very low regardless of which ester is used water retention should be minimal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panntastic View Post
    Regarding water retention
    As long as e2 levels are stable and controlled by an ai and sodium intake is very low regardless of which ester is used water retention should be minimal.
    That's not necessarily true, this is person specific.

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    I used test enan for my last cut. It has very good characteristics when used in a very strict calorie deficit. It seems to really help you retain the muscle you already have without having muscle loss from the calorie deficit.


    Worked very well on my last long cut. I like keeping the dosage low, at around 150mg per week.


    Just gets addictive, it works very well when you decide to go real harsh on a cal deficit giving you the hard defined look.

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    i dont use prop anymore b/c it kills whatever muscle i inject it into, so for any cycle im doing, cutting or bulking or anything, ill use a long estered test. seems pretty similar to me with not much of a difference, but diet is always spot on and i use an AI. but you can use any test as long as your diet is good.

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    Hello out there how many threads and how many posts does one have to hear to understand. Read the Steoid profiles and see which one promote what you want. Promote not do it. You do it with diet. As was said over and over without calories you will not bulk with any steroid but you can get bigger with any. You can diet into a show with almost any steroid (almost) if you diet, diet, diet right and train and do your cardio. Diet and cardio, then do whatever steroid, but diet for what you want and use appropriate cardio for what you want. Prety simple theory that works. ...crazy mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter-S-Thompson View Post
    i dont use prop anymore b/c it kills whatever muscle i inject it into, so for any cycle im doing, cutting or bulking or anything, ill use a long estered test. seems pretty similar to me with not much of a difference, but diet is always spot on and i use an AI. but you can use any test as long as your diet is good.
    You have the most awesome name on this site....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy mike View Post
    Hello out there how many threads and how many posts does one have to hear to understand. Read the Steoid profiles and see which one promote what you want. Promote not do it. You do it with diet. As was said over and over without calories you will not bulk with any steroid but you can get bigger with any. You can diet into a show with almost any steroid (almost) if you diet, diet, diet right and train and do your cardio. Diet and cardio, then do whatever steroid, but diet for what you want and use appropriate cardio for what you want. Prety simple theory that works. ...crazy mike
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    I never heard of Prop killing the muscle you inject to

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz21
    I never heard of Prop killing the muscle you inject to
    Think he means hurts

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    Quote Originally Posted by panntastic View Post
    Think he means hurts
    Oh ok, now it makes sense

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