Test E - Bold - primo - Libido question

**Nutcase** · 06-05-2013, 07:10 PM

Cliff notes:

*Predisposed to anxiety
*test+deca in my teens (stupid)= bad anxiety, stopped half way through
*test only last year= God mode, great libido and mood
*test primobolan boldenon this year= low libido, moderate anxiety
*Want to stop boldenon or primo for a week or 2 to figure out which one is giving me the negative effects.
*Is this ok? Pimo could be fake maybe?

Hi guys,

I'm 26, been training for a few years.
When i was a lot younger and a lot dumber i ran some test and deca, which gave me really bad anxiety attacks as i am already predisposed to anxiety. (not the depressed, attention seeking "oh look at me my lifes so hard" type, the type that gives me physical symptoms, shortness of breath, tingling, cold/hot parts of the body, just feel very uncomfortable in general)

Last year i ran a Test E only cycle, most of it was at 1.5ml (375mg) per week but i did go up as high as 2ml/500mg for 2 weeks.
During that time i felt amazing. Happy, motivated, horny as hell, and just felt like a beast in general.

This year im running Test E, Bold, and Primo
Im in week 6, the test has been at 500mg the whole time, bold has been at 300mg primo at 300mg
The whole time ive been on ive had a decreased libido, and 0 wellbeing benfits that i had in my last cycle, if anything my general well being is worse than wen i was off and my anxiety pops up occasionally. I can have sex, but there's not much desire to.

I would like to try and figure out which compound out of the bold or primo is having this effect, so that i can continue to run the other 2. So if it was the bold i could remove that from the cycle and just hit more primo in its place, or vice versa. I was thinking of just skipping the primo this week and seeing if things improved, and if they do, then i know its the primo or vice versa with the bold.

I've also heard that a very large percentage of primo is fake, and people put other compounds in its place and just say its primo. If someone put deca in a primo bottle and sold that, and it made its way to my guy, then that could be the reason.
My question is simply will it be ok to just stop one of the 2 compounds and see what happens?

**Nutcase** · 06-05-2013, 10:20 PM

Anyone?

**austinite** · 06-05-2013, 11:19 PM

300mg of primo is not going to cause this. It won't even cause any results either. But what is your AI? Good time to get blood work to see where you stand.

**Nutcase** · 06-05-2013, 11:52 PM

What about boldenon?

Also as i said in the post if the primobolan is not primobolan but something else like deca , (since primobolan is faked very frequently) then this could be the issue as well, thats why i was going to stop the primo first and see how i go

**austinite** · 06-06-2013, 12:00 AM

EQ wouldn't really cause this. So stop the primo. What are you taking for an AI, you didn't answer that yet.

**Nutcase** · 06-06-2013, 12:06 AM

Sorry, i was taking liquidex, 0.5mg ED since i'm very sensitive to estro but i switched it out for tamoxifen because i had read that it arimidex can cause loss of libido, and i couldnt find any other reason why i would be experiencing it and thank you for your replies

**austinite** · 06-06-2013, 12:14 AM

Adex does not cause loss of libido. Crushing your E2 with it will however. How do you know you're sensitive? You getting regular blood work? Not many people (barely anyone really) needs .5 every day. You need to switch gears here... stop playing the guessing game and get your blood levels checked, I suspect you crushed your estrogen. In which case tamox will not help you.

**Nutcase** · 06-06-2013, 12:20 AM

I got gyno just going through puberty, not full blown, but i got a small hard nub under my left nipple. After my last cycle, using only tamoxifen , a month after the cycle i stopped the tamoxifen and the little nub from when i was 16 came back but never got worse, so i left it. Thats why i was taking 0.5 ED. but when my libido was gone i thought it was the liquidex and stopped it all together, and straight away my nipples got sensitive as hell and puffy, so i started on the tamoxifen and they went back to normal.

As for blood work, i would love to, since i hate this guessing game as well, it plays with my head not knowing for sure whats going on.
But every doctor that i know of find it unimaginable that someone would take AAS. My family doctor started telling me i was going to get cancer and live a short life and all this rubbish all because of 375mg of test E lol

and its been the same every time i bring it up to a doc, i get the head shake and lectures with no real answers

**austinite** · 06-06-2013, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Nutcase

I got gyno just going through puberty, not full blown, but i got a small hard nub under my left nipple. After my last cycle, using only tamoxifen , a month after the cycle i stopped the tamoxifen and the little nub from when i was 16 came back but never got worse, so i left it. Thats why i was taking 0.5 ED. but when my libido was gone i thought it was the liquidex and stopped it all together, and straight away my nipples got sensitive as hell and puffy, so i started on the tamoxifen and they went back to normal.

As for blood work, i would love to, since i hate this guessing game as well, it plays with my head not knowing for sure whats going on.
But every doctor that i know of find it unimaginable that someone would take AAS. My family doctor started telling me i was going to get cancer and live a short life and all this rubbish all because of 1.5ml of test E lol

and its been the same every time i bring it up to a doc

There really is no reason to tell the doc that you're cycling. And you can get blood work done without that doc, you can get panels ordered online.

Brother, you need to get your blood work done. I can predict that your hematocrit levels are high, your RBC's are high, your estrogen is crushed and you probably have some poor liver values. And most of this is probably from your cycles last year, which I can safely assume since you never got blood work, that you've never donated any blood. Pretty scary man, you're playing with fire.

Find another doc or get your panels online. You need to get your liver values, a complete blood count, a sensitive e2 assay and a full metabolic panel just to start with...

Good luck and I hope you listen to me and make an effort to get your blood checked.

**Nutcase** · 06-06-2013, 12:48 AM

Would i have done that much damage from only 375mg of test a week for 15 weeks last year? because thats all ive done other than this cycle.
If you think all that stuff couldve happened from one test only cycle last year then ill go and get it checked for sure

**austinite** · 06-06-2013, 12:54 AM

^ yes. My hCT and RBC's get high from a TRT dose that's less than half of that. Get your blood work and bring it back here for critique, we can help you break it down and let you know what you need to do.

**Nutcase** · 06-06-2013, 12:58 AM

OK will do, thanks a lot for the help and information, much appreciated

**austinite** · 06-06-2013, 01:32 AM

No problem. Keep us posted please.

**Nutcase** · 06-16-2013, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

No problem. Keep us posted please.

Hi, im going to the doctors today to order a blood test finally, since im only running 500mg/wk test enanthate now, and tamoxifen , and my libido is still low and anxiety still high.

So far from what i understand i have to get Estriadol, Hematocrit and RBC checked.

If im running tamoxifen (my Adex hasnt got here yet) and i get my E levels checked, will they be high since tamoxifen doesnt actually get rid of the estrogen and simply blocks it? Or will the test tell me how much estrogen is binding to the receptors? and if not, how can i tell whether the tamoxifen is working or not, since im using tamoxifen from a research company, and i never had any of these issues last cycle since i was using pharma grade tamoxifen.

Also would RBC or hematocrit have any effect on my my libido which is still low? The last time i ran test i was a sexual tyrannosaurus now im a freakin poodle lol could prolactin be an issue? Should i add that to the blood test?

Thanks for being patient with me i know you probably get stupid questions like this all the time

**Nutcase** · 06-16-2013, 08:11 PM

bump

**austinite** · 06-16-2013, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Nutcase

Hi, im going to the doctors today to order a blood test finally, since im only running 500mg/wk test enanthate now, and tamoxifen , and my libido is still low and anxiety still high.

So far from what i understand i have to get Estriadol, Hematocrit and RBC checked.

If im running tamoxifen (my Adex hasnt got here yet) and i get my E levels checked, will they be high since tamoxifen doesnt actually get rid of the estrogen and simply blocks it? Or will the test tell me how much estrogen is binding to the receptors? and if not, how can i tell whether the tamoxifen is working or not, since im using tamoxifen from a research company, and i never had any of these issues last cycle since i was using pharma grade tamoxifen.

Also would RBC or hematocrit have any effect on my my libido which is still low? The last time i ran test i was a sexual tyrannosaurus now im a freakin poodle lol could prolactin be an issue? Should i add that to the blood test?

Thanks for being patient with me i know you probably get stupid questions like this all the time

Hematocrit and RBC are in your CBC panel along with other results.

Only blood work will tell your E2 levels, not something we want to play a guessing game with.... (but most likely high)

RBC/hCT being high can result in fatigue or sluggishness. Diminished energy can affect your libido. I know I feel like crap with high levels. You can get prolactin, doesn't hurt. (but I don't see what would trigger that)

**Nutcase** · 06-16-2013, 08:50 PM

Does E2 come with the CBC panel?
Also will the tamoxifen i'm taking affect the E2 reading? For example would someone taking tamoxifen have a lower E2 reading than if they werent taking it?
I ask because i was under the impression that tamoxifen doesnt reduce estrogen and only blocks it, but i would like to know if the tamoxifen im taking is working or not since im suspicious about these RCs.

**austinite** · 06-16-2013, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Nutcase

Does E2 come with the CBC panel?
Also will the tamoxifen i'm taking affect the E2 reading? For example would someone taking tamoxifen have a lower E2 reading than if they werent taking it?
I ask because i was under the impression that tamoxifen doesnt reduce estrogen and only blocks it, but i would like to know if the tamoxifen im taking is working or not since im suspicious about these RCs.

E2 has to be requested separately.

You needed an AI, period. This is why folks who experience gyno on cycle, start taking Tamox and continue to take their AI. Like I said, likely to have high E2 if it was high prior to tamox.

**Nutcase** · 06-16-2013, 09:04 PM

any idea how long arimidex will take to start bringing down E levels?

**austinite** · 06-16-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Nutcase

any idea how long arimidex will take to start bringing down E levels?

Arimidex is a "Same day service" drug, unlike aromasin . It works virtually immediately. As for bringing levels to range, that's impossible to answer. You need blood work. All of this is a guessing game and everyone reacts differently to AI's.

**Nutcase** · 06-16-2013, 09:33 PM

Thanks for all your help ill update the thread once i get the results

**Nutcase** · 06-22-2013, 01:32 AM

I think i found out what the issue is =) got the blood work back.
Everything is normal, except my kidney values are pretty high, and my testosterone is 2.4nmol/l !!! I'm running 500mg/week "testosterone enanthate " so the only reason why my test could be that low is if my test E is not test E.

E2 is 86pmol/l

Whats the abreviation for hematocrit and RBC?

**austinite** · 06-22-2013, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Nutcase

I think i found out what the issue is =) got the blood work back.
Everything is normal, except my kidney values are pretty high, and my testosterone is 2.4nmol/l !!! I'm running 500mg/week "testosterone enanthate " so the only reason why my test could be that low is if my test E is not test E.

E2 is 86pmol/l

Whats the abreviation for hematocrit and RBC?

HCT is hematocrit. RBC is already abbreviated, it stands for Red Blood Cells.

**Nutcase** · 06-22-2013, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

HCT is hematocrit. RBC is already abbreviated, it stands for Red Blood Cells.

Oh ok, yeah well theres the results of the past 4 blood tests spanning over 3 years, and everything else is in the normal range, and has been for the 3 years so i would assume the issue is low test due to bad gear

HCT is 0.49

**austinite** · 06-22-2013, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Nutcase

Oh ok, yeah well theres the results of the past 4 blood tests spanning over 3 years, and everything else is in the normal range, and has been for the 3 years so i would assume the issue is low test due to bad gear

HCT is 0.49

That's Good. Always keep it under 50 and never ever over 55

What's your RBC count? post all your blood work if you want.

**Nutcase** · 06-22-2013, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

That's Good. Always keep it under 50 and never ever over 55

What's your RBC count? post all your blood work if you want.

I cant see RBC anywhere on the blood work =[ i cant scan it at the moment, ill try tomorrow.

Is there any way that i could be taking 500mg/week test enanthate , for weeks, and have that low of a testosterone reading? Or does that confirm that its not test, because ive been growing from it pretty well

also is a E2 reading of 86pmol/l high or about normal? Google says normal readings are between 50 & 200