My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**raymondtrudeau** · 06-17-2015, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Avi3510

Crashing is when you see little crystals floating in your gear. It happens over time, it separates and can be fixed by heating in boiling water. There is a whole section in the stickies I believe on crashed gear and how to fix it. Just check it before you use it, and if you see crystals in it, check out the thread .

oh ok how about my other question?
arimidex .. is it really needed? because my first cycle i did not have excess water retention or sore nipples etc...

**austinite** · 06-17-2015, 08:05 PM

^ yes, you need an AI as the article states.

**Avi3510** · 06-17-2015, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by raymondtrudeau

oh ok how about my other question?
arimidex.. is it really needed? because my first cycle i did not have excess water retention or sore nipples etc...

As austinite said, you definitely need it. You may not have any physical symptoms, but you will still have test converting to estrogen, which will affect your gains brother.

**raymondtrudeau** · 06-17-2015, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Avi3510

As austinite said, you definitely need it. You may not have any physical symptoms, but you will still have test converting to estrogen, which will affect your gains brother.

ok thanks i was going to pick some up at hardcore peptides...is this site legit

**austinite** · 06-17-2015, 10:13 PM

Let's not get off topic fella's.

**Tank123** · 06-20-2015, 09:36 PM

hey guys just a question
is thier anyway you can dcrease the waiting times between cycles.
for e.g it says take 18 weeks of after a twelve week test e cycle and then 2 weeks of then 4 weeks pct then time of before next cycle is 18 weeks.
was just curious if you wanted to speed the process up how would you go by your pct? would you pct for 4 weeks ? would you pct at all?
thanks

**loganwolf** · 06-20-2015, 10:42 PM

I am 36 5'9 and 190lbs. My body fat % is in the low 20's. I was about to start a 12 week cycle of Testosterone Enanthate . Should I wait and get my body fat % down or would I be safe providing I had Raloxifene and Nolvadex on hand?

**austinite** · 06-21-2015, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by loganwolf

I am 36 5'9 and 190lbs. My body fat % is in the low 20's. I was about to start a 12 week cycle of Testosterone Enanthate. Should I wait and get my body fat % down or would I be safe providing I had Raloxifene and Nolvadex on hand?

I would wait until BF is lowered.

**austinite** · 06-21-2015, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Tank123

hey guys just a question
is thier anyway you can dcrease the waiting times between cycles.
for e.g it says take 18 weeks of after a twelve week test e cycle and then 2 weeks of then 4 weeks pct then time of before next cycle is 18 weeks.
was just curious if you wanted to speed the process up how would you go by your pct? would you pct for 4 weeks ? would you pct at all?
thanks

Stick with protocol, it's the safe way. Doesn't mean it's a rule set in stone, just my recommendation.

**loganwolf** · 06-22-2015, 10:41 PM

Thank you. Working on it now.

**RickyReed** · 06-24-2015, 04:50 AM

Welcome to the site and hope you can find all your answers here I know you will

**Tank123** · 06-24-2015, 09:36 PM

thanks austinite
i was just curious as competitors and some individuals and various sports (bodybuilding) cant afford to take that much time of because it only leaves them with approx 1 and a half cycles a year. but i understand what you mean about the whole safest way possible

**a.connolly7** · 06-26-2015, 07:05 AM

Thank you! This is awesome! Best and most accurate advice I've read!

**Liberty101** · 06-30-2015, 06:19 AM

Question for you guys---

running HCG during cycle sounds like a good option, how come you don't continue to run it during pct? I thought the point of it is to help kickstart the testis again?

**kelkel** · 06-30-2015, 07:11 AM

Because HCG is suppressive to LH function. Think of it this way, you inject HCG, subsequently your pituitary realizes it doesn't need to due to the exogenous LH and slowly ramps down production which is counter-productive to restarting your HPTA.

**mussina123** · 06-30-2015, 06:37 PM

new member checking in, best advice you can give to a new member, will come back for this valuable info!

**hustler1235** · 07-09-2015, 12:06 PM

hey im just wondering why take 500mg a week on first cycle?
would 300mg be good for a beginner with not much muscle mass does a smaller does equal less side effects?
also if I did 300mg would the hcg pct etc weekly dose still be the same?
thanks austenite love ur post

**austinite** · 07-09-2015, 06:43 PM

300 is too low. That's just above a top end TRT level, especially if using UGL gear which is likely under dosed.

To answer your second question, you'd be wasting time with that dose (and money) but yes, 300mg will shut you down just as much as 500mg so you need PCT hCG etc...

**sailor310** · 07-17-2015, 07:35 AM

I thought when I got on here that I would gain some insight and then go to work. While I have been working, I am beginning to see just how involved this is. I am no where near ready to cycle. I need to be firmly rooted in a routine and a clean diet and maintain for a long time before I even attempt to cycle. Austinite, guys like you and Marcus are really opening my eyes to just what all is involved here. I am committed tho. Gaining more insight everyday, trying to beat my body into submission when it comes to diet and exercise. Breaking bad habits is hard

**RickyReed** · 07-19-2015, 03:54 PM

Well I am sure you can do it and all will be good , you will see an amazing change when you start eating right and dieting right then when you cycle you will grow as you never have before, trust me it took me a while to realize what I needed to do and his site is one of the best for insight and help for people as your self. If there is anything I can do for you don't hesitate to PM me or anyone on this site, we are here to help

**funnyman** · 07-20-2015, 12:50 PM

Hey Aust,

I've been following all your threads and you've been extremely helpful in every sense of the word! I've also been pretty annoying when acquiring my gear bc the people that have been cycling, think they know everything due to their experience with no issues, so they try to tell me I don't need half the stuff.

**Thyroid_cursed77** · 07-23-2015, 01:50 AM

Those with low test have trouble losing body fat. And they find getting in shape to be difficult. So these people can never run a cycle because they carry fat. Am I wrong, or have I seen on many occasions people struggle with dropping fat and getting ripped, only to start doing a cycle on, off, etc. and eventually being able to accomplish what they could otherwise not.

**Thyroid_cursed77** · 07-23-2015, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Tank123

hey guys just a question
is thier anyway you can dcrease the waiting times between cycles.
for e.g it says take 18 weeks of after a twelve week test e cycle and then 2 weeks of then 4 weeks pct then time of before next cycle is 18 weeks.
was just curious if you wanted to speed the process up how would you go by your pct? would you pct for 4 weeks ? would you pct at all?
thanks

It's you shouldn't cycle again so soon, not you can't. It's unhealthy, very hard on your endocrine. Some people seem to stay on cycle, but it's extremely unhealthy. Besides, I would want to stack some muscle on top of that you gained on cycle?

**Dirty Irish** · 07-23-2015, 12:36 PM

About to do my first cycle. This was invaluable. Thank you.

**ProStatus** · 07-24-2015, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Dirty Irish

About to do my first cycle. This was invaluable. Thank you.

Good luck brotha!!!

**classymass** · 08-01-2015, 09:58 PM

Hey thanks for the wealth of information. Question about HCG .

I may be purchasing a vial of 5000 ius. If I where to do a 12 week cycle, it would last me 10 weeks at 250 iu 2xweek. Should I skip the first 2 weeks or split it to 125iu for the first month?

**jpayne** · 08-01-2015, 10:56 PM

is HCG a must?
Can I mix it with test-e too and inject at the same time?

Arimidex is to reduce elevated estrogen, right? but there is still possibility to develop gyno?
I read somewhere else that if gyno is starting to develop, we can use AI to surpress it?
Any alternative for Raloxifene? I don't think I can get Raloxifene here..

please advice. Thanks

**Rogue Comment** · 08-01-2015, 11:41 PM

I asked my doctor about mixing HGC ,and my Test C .He basically said sack-up ,and take them separately.

There is a YouTube video showing how to mix them and inject at once.

My Dr also wanted the timing off a bit as HGC absorbs at a different rate ,and he wanted it to peak as the T is falling off. He did have me on one large shot 1000iu ,which I kind of question so who knows.

**austinite** · 08-02-2015, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Rogue Comment

I asked my doctor about mixing HGC ,and my Test C .He basically said sack-up ,and take them separately.

There is a YouTube video showing how to mix them and inject at once.

My Dr also wanted the timing off a bit as HGC absorbs at a different rate ,and he wanted it to peak as the T is falling off. He did have me on one large shot 1000iu ,which I kind of question so who knows.

Your doctor is referring to TRT. That is not relevant when cycling high doses.

**austinite** · 08-02-2015, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by jpayne

is HCG a must?
Can I mix it with test-e too and inject at the same time?

Arimidex is to reduce elevated estrogen, right? but there is still possibility to develop gyno?
I read somewhere else that if gyno is starting to develop, we can use AI to surpress it?
Any alternative for Raloxifene? I don't think I can get Raloxifene here..

please advice. Thanks

yes, in my opinion it is.

**haggendaz** · 08-06-2015, 08:05 PM

Great stuff and answered a lot of my questions. I obviously need to get my BF% down before starting so that will take time. When injecting how deep and what size needle should one use for test? Sorry if this was answered in all the threads, I just read your first post and had a couple of questions. Wont be starting for awhile. About a year ago I was put on B12 injections (Methylcobalamin), would test/hcg be about the same?

**Avi3510** · 08-07-2015, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by haggendaz

Great stuff and answered a lot of my questions. I obviously need to get my BF% down before starting so that will take time. When injecting how deep and what size needle should one use for test? Sorry if this was answered in all the threads, I just read your first post and had a couple of questions. Wont be starting for awhile. About a year ago I was put on B12 injections (Methylcobalamin), would test/hcg be about the same?

You could use the same, but that wouldn't be optimal. Optimal would be an injection into the muscle. I have been hitting my quads lately, and use a 25 gauge 1" needle. I also do my hcg separately, using a half inch 29 gauge needle I subcutaneously inject in my stomach, but you could put both test and hcg in pin and hit simultaneously into muscle.

**BuildingBrute** · 08-19-2015, 11:13 AM

Thank you for taking the time and breaking down literally everything.

**Kramer33** · 08-19-2015, 02:02 PM

This has been a very educational thread. Thanks to the OP

**uready** · 08-20-2015, 03:19 PM

I dont agree with a lot of things in this thread.

like running hcg during cycle. its common sense to run it after your last pin.

and to run clomid and nolva is wrong. They will cancel eachother out and that is way too much strain on the liver and kidneys

Turn off your natural test with your cycle.... then when youre done your cycle, turn it back on with HCG. I dont even think one would need HCG on a test only cycle. but thats just me

**uready** · 08-20-2015, 03:20 PM

also if someone says to take arimidex instead of arimosan, I would not take any advise from them at all.

**numbere** · 08-20-2015, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by uready

I dont agree with a lot of things in this thread.

like running hcg during cycle. its common sense to run it after your last pin. ...

I think Rene Descartes put it best when he wrote, “Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it.”

**Avi3510** · 08-20-2015, 06:10 PM

^^^^Lol. Because Austinite doesn't use science to back up his suggestions, just common sense.

**kelkel** · 08-20-2015, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by uready

I dont agree with a lot of things in this thread.

like running hcg during cycle. its common sense to run it after your last pin.

and to run clomid and nolva is wrong. They will cancel eachother out and that is way too much strain on the liver and kidneys

Turn off your natural test with your cycle.... then when youre done your cycle, turn it back on with HCG. I dont even think one would need HCG on a test only cycle. but thats just me

Originally Posted by uready

also if someone says to take arimidex instead of arimosan, I would not take any advise from them at all.

You seriously have a lot to learn. It's not the 70's. Science has evolved. You should consider that as well.

**uready** · 08-20-2015, 11:26 PM

Tell me why you need to run Hcg during your cycle...

And tell me how dex is better than arimosan. dex blocks the sides. as soon as youre off dex, the sides hit you. arimosan is a suicide. it kills the sides and doesnt allow them to bind.