My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**Blazini** · 06-03-2016, 01:47 PM

Just wanted to say thanks to austinite for compiling and sharing this info.

**Macros** · 06-08-2016, 05:08 PM

I've been training natural for 14 years and I'm ready for my first cycle of AAS. I have been doing my research and educating myself for 2 years. This forum has been beyond helpful. I priced everything out for the "suggested first cycle" and I came to around $500. I'm not asking for a source because I know I don't have enough posts for a source check, I'm just trying to see if that is a reasonable price to spend to get everything needed for the "suggested first cycle".

Three other questions:
1. What liver support do you recommend while on this cycle/what dosage?
2. What gauge/length needle do you use for injecting the test?
3. The HCG I'm looking at said its 5000iu which is the exact amount needed for the cycle. It's $70 a bottle but to play it safe I was thinking of getting 2 bottles because I don't want to run out. What do you suggest?

Thanks!

**numbere** · 06-08-2016, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Macros

I've been training natural for 14 years and I'm ready for my first cycle of AAS. I have been doing my research and educating myself for 2 years. This forum has been beyond helpful. I priced everything out for the "suggested first cycle" and I came to around $500. I'm not asking for a source because I know I don't have enough posts for a source check, I'm just trying to see if that is a reasonable price to spend to get everything needed for the "suggested first cycle".

Three other questions:
1. What liver support do you recommend while on this cycle/what dosage?
2. What gauge/length needle do you use for injecting the test?
3. The HCG I'm looking at said its 5000iu which is the exact amount needed for the cycle. It's $70 a bottle but to play it safe I was thinking of getting 2 bottles because I don't want to run out. What do you suggest?

Thanks!

This is section is for conversing about topics directly related to the thread.

If you'd like some cycle advice then post your proposed cycle along with your stats, training and cycle history in a newly created thread in the Questions & Answers forum.

**Macros** · 06-08-2016, 08:20 PM

IMO the topic I brought up was directly related to this thread since I said I was planning my first cycle and I am planning on following the "first cycle" this thread suggests. I guess if no one is able to answer my questions here I can post to a new thread. Looks like someone was able to reply to my question, just not answer a single aspect of it.

**kelkel** · 06-08-2016, 08:31 PM

Macros,

1. NAC works great. I like NOW Brand off Amazon.
2. I prefer 23 ga x 1". But load with an 18 ga. Just buy extra tips to dispose after loading.
3. Re HCG , find another site for it. That's to much $$$. Check maybe safemeds4all dot com

There ya go.

**Macros** · 06-08-2016, 08:37 PM

Much appreciated kelkel you are awesome. I will post the different blood works and progress in a separate thread.

**skinnyconan** · 06-13-2016, 12:07 AM

Thanks for all the Good info! Answered alot of ??? For me.

**BLKMAYLE** · 06-19-2016, 06:27 PM

Austinite Great info and thanks
Sorry I didn't read prior to the start of cycle

Been taking Stano for just over 2 weeks nothing else
6'2"
219lbs

decent diet

workout 5x a week
decent diet

now I'm thinking PCT yes I know should have thought of it first before starting
please help I have read but want to confirm

I'll need Nolvadex ,Clomid ,N2 guard when I am done

is it ok to complete 8 week cycle

**numbere** · 06-19-2016, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by BLKMAYLE

Austinite Great info and thanks
Sorry I didn't read prior to the start of cycle

Been taking Stano for just over 2 weeks nothing else
6'2"
219lbs

decent diet

workout 5x a week
decent diet

now I'm thinking PCT yes I know should have thought of it first before starting
please help I have read but want to confirm

I'll need Nolvadex ,Clomid ,N2 guard when I am done

is it ok to complete 8 week cycle

No, it's not alright to complete this cycle.

Winny should be used with a test base.

You're only 2 weeks in so if you stop now then you don't need to PCT.

Cycles without Testosterone: Why you should avoid them at all costs

**Spartacus141** · 06-21-2016, 10:45 PM

Wow I should have read this before my first post! Thanks, very informative!

**Proximal** · 06-22-2016, 09:54 AM

Austinite, thanks for the info on this thread - pretty much following it to the letter. Question though, could you or other veterans give a range of expected total and free T numbers that one might expect for the mid- cycle BW?

525 mg. test c / week

**InternalFire** · 06-22-2016, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Proximal

Austinite, thanks for the info on this thread - pretty much following it to the letter. Question though, could you or other veterans give a range of expected total and free T numbers that one might expect for the mid- cycle BW?

525 mg. test c / week

Hey, Im no VET/EXP but since I was following your progress across the boards, you had your Test levels measured when on TRT dose, and since you're not changin compound source all stays the same (pharm) I would take your TOTAL-T and FREE-T values and divide from your TRT dose and then multiply by 525 and you should get very close figure to what you can expect from cycle like that.

Thats my estimation, as much as I have seen folks who Blast&Cruise, their cruise(trt) values most times correlated to those of increased dosages while blasting(on cycle), the ratio remains very close as long as gear supplier stays same and no change in compound versions etc

**Proximal** · 06-22-2016, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by InsaneMuscle

Hey, Im no VET/EXP but since I was following your progress across the boards, you had your Test levels measured when on TRT dose, and since you're not changin compound source all stays the same (pharm) I would take your TOTAL-T and FREE-T values and divide from your TRT dose and then multiply by 525 and you should get very close figure to what you can expect from cycle like that.

Thats my estimation, as much as I have seen folks who Blast&Cruise, their cruise(trt) values most times correlated to those of increased dosages while blasting(on cycle), the ratio remains very close as long as gear supplier stays same and no change in compound versions etc

Thanks IM, sounds good mathematically. Did my calculations and not bad. My total test is a little lower now than it should be, but my free test is actually higher. I can live with that. Plus I did my BW a little early (week 5).

**BuzzardMarinePumper** · 06-23-2016, 12:53 PM

This thread is so amazing ! I have seen it and never read it in detail because I thought it would not apply to men on TRT ? I based me as a man on TRT was balanced and therefore considered normal ! Even though at 56 with my Test level about 700 I am a little heavier than the weights posted I am because I lost so much weight 3 yrs ago and added some good lean weight and a little excess ! I can lean out a little I am not fat at 6 ft and 243 lbs ! I really learned a lot from this thread that I have never read !

**mmigowski** · 07-11-2016, 06:25 AM

Hi...

I am on my 1st cycle of Test 500ml a week and started also using the Arimidex as per your post at 0.25mg EOD - after a week I started getting stomach upsets and cramps....I stopped Arimidex and after 2 days my stomach is back to normal - do you know of an alternative to Arimidex that is gentler on stomach?

**Tyson122** · 07-15-2016, 07:03 AM

Hello. Why use arimidex the first cycle???? Test 500mg/week and 50mg proviron /day much more better

**NACH3** · 07-15-2016, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Tyson122

Hello. Why use arimidex the first cycle???? Test 500mg/week and 50mg proviron/day much more better

Why? Because he's trying to control his E2 which is first and foremost!

This is horrible advice as is described in this thread - it's a step by step beginners cycle(test only) we here preach safe AAS use and he damn well should be running his AI from the start... Then BW mid cycle to see if any necessary adjustments should be made!

Proviron ??? Really?? It's just a DHT no t an AI

Read the actual post by Austinite!!

**kelkel** · 07-15-2016, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Tyson122

Hello. Why use arimidex the first cycle???? Test 500mg/week and 50mg proviron/day much more better

Yep, cause everyone wants excessively high estrogen levels, lipid issues etc., and maybe if you're lucky, cute little breasts!

**Couchlock** · 07-19-2016, 08:12 PM

I'm starting a cycle of test cyp. 400mg per week 200mgx2 per week

Got the required amount of test
Got anastrozole
Got clomiphene

I can't find Nolvadex or hcg

Are they needed?

Would I be cool with anastrozole OCT ONLY
and Clomiphene PCT ONLY?

please help me, I'm about to order and want all I need on hand and then some

Don't want to have to get hit hard on shipping cost cuz I left something out

Like I said can't find Nolvadex or hcg, if they are absolutely necessary, are there like substances that I can substitute and do the same thing

Help please I'm begging at this point

**meeno** · 07-20-2016, 03:09 PM

Great post! Reading about how much experience and knowledge you have on this, would you be able to give me a few words of advice? I plan on running a cycle for the first time. If it wouldn't be too much of a hassle, you an message me or simply reply to this. thanks!

**StateRaised** · 07-30-2016, 05:56 PM

This was a great aid... read many times

**Back In Black** · 07-31-2016, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by meeno

Great post! Reading about how much experience and knowledge you have on this, would you be able to give me a few words of advice? I plan on running a cycle for the first time. If it wouldn't be too much of a hassle, you an message me or simply reply to this. thanks!

If there is anything you need to know that isn't in the first post of this thread start a new thread.

**rajprash007** · 08-02-2016, 12:14 PM

Hi Austinite,

Loved your article. I am 34 and I have taken EQ, Andriol and Anavar before. I started using test when i was 23-24 and was very careful nothing too crazy. I modeled a lot so never was into bodybuilding.
I injured my shoulder a year and a half ago it's 80% better, I beacame aware of the things I can and cannot do. So worked around it. it was a suspicion of a SLAP tear, so the front rotator gets inflammed actually both sides are when i press them, the one behind the injured shoulder when I dig one of those hard thera ball it feels insanely good and I do feel relief. I want it to heal faster, have disagreed to to many docs who have suggested cortisone shots. Plus I have also lost some size. I need my joints to be lubricated as well.

I have researched a lot and spoken to some of my bodybuilder friends. In a nutshell, This is what I decided :

10 week cycle.
100mg per week of Deca Durabolin
(increase it to 150mg after week 3)
200mg Andriol (testosterone undecanoate) daily (more like 6 days a week)

I was also thinking of maybe adding 200mg of Equipoise every 10 days so 6 shots in total.

I have thick hair should I still be using propecia and if so how much ? Also am told Nolvadex will make my joints stiff again is it possible to have very low dose like 10mg every other day ?

Alongside with my cycle I will be taking real Omega 3 tabs, there is a really good company called Vikings, not the usual fish oil bullshit and NAC for the liver, plus of course other Multivitamins etc.
I also will use HCG 5000iu a week after my cycle then another 5000iu after 3-4 days and then 3000iu if needed.

I also have anavar but I feel it would play havoc with my joints. Please Advise me. My aim is to repair my shoulder, Deca low dosage provides everything that it will need, the EQ every 10 days and Andriol 6 days a week will make sure there is enough test in my system.

What do you think ?

Thank you

**TylerM1996** · 08-10-2016, 01:32 AM

Hey guys, I'll probably get roasted for asking and people telling me not to do it,
But..
I'm 20 years old, been training for 3 years natural and recently hit my first cycle (test-e 500mg a week) for 10 weeks followed by 4 week pct of nolvadex and got some good strength and size gains,
I'm thinking of running a second course soon of Tren and test prop but think it may be a bit too harsh on my body, can anyone recommend what to cycle and what not to cycle at my age, I plan on doing 2 possibly 3 cycles a year in the future, cheers

**Will77** · 08-10-2016, 01:29 PM

weeks ago had a microdiscectomy l4 l5 s1 ,was in amazing shape before my injury which happened at work, I'm 6'2 250 living in las Vegas Nevada, diet is good but I've been acting like a fat kid. 39 years old now, looking to get back in the gym 4 to 6 weeks from now, I've been reaching out to some hgh facilities here in town, crazy expensive. Really want to know what pills on this site or anything else I can take to help me get back into shape and help with my confidence.

**almostgone** · 08-11-2016, 06:22 PM

2013, drop the advertising, man. It's getting old.

**Marsoc** · 08-20-2016, 04:43 PM

Well dang, so I'm about to kill 200 kitty's ...that sucks

**Crevicediverx** · 08-26-2016, 09:31 AM

Great post and some awesome advice i've read it a few times now and i have 2 quick questions
12 weeks
sust 250 at 500mg a week
arimidex 0.25g each day
hcg 500mg weekly

nolvadex and clomid pct 4 weeks

Nolvadex and clomid do you need both or is nolvadex sufficient enough alone?
do i need the hcg for pct and if so do you take it from week 1 until week 16?

**vulfor** · 08-27-2016, 07:47 AM

I have been lifting for over 5 years now naturally and now Im planning on running my first cycle.
weeks 1-12 sustanon 500mg /w
weeks 1-12 deca 400mg /w
weeks 1-6 dbol 30mg/d
Thats the cycle Ive been planning on doing.
1. Is this good for a first cycle? (not overdoing it?)
2. I can get my hands on nolva and clomid, how should i excecute the pct with these?
3. Should i take something to block estrogen during the whole cycle while on deca?
Still just gathering information before I start obtaining the substances!

**bb-c** · 08-27-2016, 08:52 AM

I've been lifting for about 10 years natty and thinking about going on my first cycle. Thinking about test ananthate for about 10-12 weeks and dbol for about 6 with nolvadex for the final 3. I know I don't have enough posts for a source check, but I'm just wanting to know numbers. About how many vials will that run me for the cycle? Ballpark about how much $ will the cycle cost?

**kelkel** · 08-27-2016, 10:08 AM

Guys, if you're running a first cycle why not simply stick to what this thread recommends? Don't over-complicate it as more is not always better, especially for a first cycle where you learn how your body responds to supraphysiologic levels of test. Keep it simple. Re-read the sticky!

**Crevicediverx** · 08-28-2016, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Guys, if you're running a first cycle why not simply stick to what this thread recommends? Don't over-complicate it as more is not always better, especially for a first cycle where you learn how your body responds to supraphysiologic levels of test. Keep it simple. Re-read the sticky!

Yeah thats what my cycle theoretically would consist of what is on the sticky just had questions as i didn't full understand

**Aleksander_** · 09-06-2016, 01:08 AM

Glad I read this. I'm about to start my first cycle of Test-E. I had planned on one dose of 350mg weekly and using only nolvadex for PCT. I'm going to put it off until I can locate some HCG , Clomid, and Arimidex . Thanks for the writeup!

**Klowe94** · 09-12-2016, 07:02 PM

So I ran my first cycle of test e, 500mg a week for 12 weeks. I was also using 12.5 mg aromasin /ed and last 5 weeks was running 30mg winni/ed. I start my pct in 9 days which is nolva 40/40/20/10 I also have a Clomid and nolva mix but not sure the amount in each capsule considering I got from a buddy. I'm running aromasin on my bridge from cycle to pct then going straight to nolva. My question though. Is what are the best ways to maintain as much gains as possible including training routines, macros, and do any supps help at all? I'm 6' at 195 with about 10-12% bf. ANY advice or tips is welcome!

**numbere** · 09-12-2016, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Klowe94

So I ran my first cycle of test e, 500mg a week for 12 weeks. I was also using 12.5 mg aromasin/ed and last 5 weeks was running 30mg winni/ed. I start my pct in 9 days which is nolva 40/40/20/10 I also have a Clomid and nolva mix but not sure the amount in each capsule considering I got from a buddy. I'm running aromasin on my bridge from cycle to pct then going straight to nolva. My question though. Is what are the best ways to maintain as much gains as possible including training routines, macros, and do any supps help at all? I'm 6' at 195 with about 10-12% bf. ANY advice or tips is welcome!

The link below should answer your questions.

At 22 years old you likely face a difficult recovery.

It would be in your best interest to wait until you're at leat 25 before using AAS again.

AAS- Tips on keeping gains for the moderate user*

**Klowe94** · 09-12-2016, 07:17 PM

So I ran my first cycle of test e, 500mg a week for 12 weeks. I was also using 12.5 mg aromasin /ed and last 5 weeks was running 30mg winni/ed. I start my pct in 9 days which is nolva 40/40/20/10 I also have a Clomid and nolva mix but not sure the amount in each capsule considering I got from a buddy. I'm running aromasin on my bridge from cycle to pct then going straight to nolva. My question though. Is what are the best ways to maintain as much gains as possible including training routines, macros, and do any supps help at all? I'm 6' at 195 with about 10-12% bf. ANY advice or tips is welcome!

**75 Dogs** · 09-16-2016, 10:09 AM

Thought I'd take the opportunity to use my first post to say thank you to Austinite for posting this over 3 years ago. Although I don't "plan" on doing more than 1 cycle, your information is what I'll use as my guide my first time...when I eventually do it. Perfect reasoning to use Testosterone only for a first cycle, and written in a way that's easy to understand.

**Danimals** · 09-17-2016, 01:57 PM

Hi there,

I know this was posted a while back so I'm not sure if I'm too late.

It sounds like from the main post, oil-based injections are the way to go as the AS worth cycling with would be too harsh if taken orally?

**numbere** · 09-18-2016, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Danimals

Hi there,

I know this was posted a while back so I'm not sure if I'm too late.

It sounds like from the main post, oil-based injections are the way to go as the AS worth cycling with would be too harsh if taken orally?

You're partially correct.

The thread attached below will answer your question in more detail.

Cycles without Testosterone: Why you should avoid them at all costs

**zf2410** · 09-21-2016, 09:04 PM

Thanks so much for writing this post! I have been doing research and while I am anxious to start my first cycle, I wouldn't want to do it without knowing what I'm doing. While I've found a lot of good information doing my research, this post puts it all in one place. And explaining the science behind why helps. I like to know why I'm doing something instead of just doing what some anonymous guy on the internet says I should do.