My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[PTROIDE]

600MG N ACETYL L CYSTEINE + 1MG Vitamin C, daily is a good synergie, to help the liver?

any other supplement essencial for use in the pct to help the body recover ?

[Nephets]

What is your first cycle and pct.

[PTROIDE]

is the same at this topic like austinite says.

[Rarest]

Why do you need HCG from week 1 - 12? That seems so unnecessary. Most people only start using it a few weeks into cycle.
The increased levels of testosterone in your system because of HCG also increases the likelihood of developing gyno.

[numbere]

600MG N ACETYL L CYSTEINE + 1MG Vitamin C, daily is a good synergie, to help the liver?

any other supplement essencial for use in the pct to help the body recover ?

Yes, they are good for your liver but you should increase the NAC to at leat 1200mg when following the cycle in detailed in the OP.

You only need to take nolva and clomid during PCT for your best chance at HTPA reset.

Why do you need HCG from week 1 - 12? That seems so unnecessary. Most people only start using it a few weeks into cycle.
The increased levels of testosterone in your system because of HCG also increases the likelihood of developing gyno.

You won't develop gyno when your controlling e2 with an AI and blood work.

Besides 250IU twice a week of hcg isn't going to elevate your test that far beyond basal levels.

You should read the thread attached below.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[kelkel]

Why do you need HCG from week 1 - 12? That seems so unnecessary. Most people only start using it a few weeks into cycle.
The increased levels of testosterone in your system because of HCG also increases the likelihood of developing gyno.

If you're worried about HCG increasing the chances of gyno then you should never consider cycling.

[Fakeazzrock]

Thanks for the post. I've enjoyed "working out" for years and have always tried to at least be educated on this topic. Over the last year or so I've done more and more research. This is the FIRST time I've ever heard of running just test for first cycle. Even if I end up not getting on, I'm going to love this site.

[Propspeed]

Sooo much info, thanks fellas.... great info!

[Hayder H]

Hi, can some one tell me about the effect of this cycle on the body facial scalp hair ? please

[kelkel]

Hi, can some one tell me about the effect of this cycle on the body facial scalp hair ? please

1. You should grow if training and diet are on point
2. Some experience acne
3. If prone to MPB you may or may not experience some hair loss

[bostonguy81]

Thank you! This is the info. I was looking for.

[dxtrtst]

Hi everyone,

I'm goingto start my first cycle pretty soon and wanted to get any opinions or help.

I have my nutrition going pretty well and have been lifting for a few years. It's very hard for me to break 150lbs and it's been the heaviest I've ever been while in shape. If I don't keep up with my nutrition or stop lifting, I easily drop down to 135lbs.

Here's a few stats

Age:37
Height 5'6"
Weight 148lbs
Body Fat% - 14%

Some bloodwork numbers
Test level - 520
estradiol level - 56 - didn't know to ask for the right estrogen test at the time


This is what I have so far. I haven't been able to get hcg .

First Cycle
1-12 weeks Test Cyp - 400mg/week
1-14 weeks Liquidex - 0.25mg EOD
NAC


PCT
Liquid Clomi - 75/50/50/50
LIquid Tamox - 40/20/20/20

Thanks in advance from this newb!

Hi again everyone, I posted a few months back and have a few more questions I'm hoping some vets could help out with. Please forgive me if they are silly questions, but I'm really new to this.

On the days that I'm going to take the liquidex, does it matter when I take it in relation to when I pin the test? Do you just drop the liquidex on your tongue?

When I start my PCT, which is going to be the clomi and tamox, is this just taken orally as well like the liquidex? Would it be okay to take both at the same time?

Thanks in advance for the help.

[evanescent]

Bit of a scrooge question, better to run 400iu HCG for weeks 1-12 or 500iu for weeks 3-12? (If 11-12 were the pre-PCT wait) Seems like a waste of a second vial to run 500iu for the full 12.

[Couchlock]

Bit of a scrooge question, better to run 400iu HCG for weeks 1-12 or 500iu for weeks 3-12? (If 11-12 were the pre-PCT wait) Seems like a waste of a second vial to run 500iu for the full 12.

You'll also run hcg for the 2 weeks after last pin. Stopping hcg 2 or 3 days before pct.

So yes you need that second 5000 iu vial brother

[evanescent]

You'll also run hcg for the 2 weeks after last pin. Stopping hcg 2 or 3 days before pct.

So yes you need that second 5000 iu vial brother

Ah my bad, was based on 10 weeks pinning instead of 12 mentioned in original post. (Having to buy an extra vial of T and HCG for 2 weeks extra seemed silly? Tren vials also seem similarly dosed to suit 10 weeks also.)

[Couchlock]

Ah my bad, was based on 10 weeks pinning instead of 12 mentioned in original post. (Having to buy an extra vial of T and HCG for 2 weeks extra seemed silly? Tren vials also seem similarly dosed to suit 10 weeks also.)

12 weeks min.

For real, if money is a issue (60 for a second vial of test, 36 for another 5k iu of hcg) then just wait till finances dictate you can cycle. Its not worth only 10 weeks

[evanescent]

12 weeks min.

For real, if money is a issue (60 for a second vial of test, 36 for another 5k iu of hcg) then just wait till finances dictate you can cycle. Its not worth only 10 weeks

At the end of the day money isn't a problem, definitely want the healthiest first time cycle. We are talking Australia prices though, which arguably do more damage to your nuts than any AAS abuse could

How about 15 pinning..? That would see everything used, and could mix 2nd batch of HCG 8.5 weeks in (60 days is a reasonable shelf-life for well stored HCG by most accounts?)

Actually a lot of the AI's and DA's seemed better dosed and measured to last longer than the recommended cycle here too. I'm a bit OCD and could guarantee my leftovers would end up in the trash. I question the lifespan of anything medical in this climate (Even when well stored)

[Couchlock]

At the end of the day money isn't a problem, definitely want the healthiest first time cycle. We are talking Australia prices though, which arguably do more damage to your nuts than any AAS abuse could

How about 15 pinning..? That would see everything used, and could mix 2nd batch of HCG 8.5 weeks in (60 days is a reasonable shelf-life for well stored HCG by most accounts?)

Actually a lot of the AI's and DA's seemed better dosed and measured to last longer than the recommended cycle here too. I'm a bit OCD and could guarantee my leftovers would end up in the trash. I question the lifespan of anything medical in this climate (Even when well stored)

I did 17 weeks just son I could use it all

[svillla0415]

I'm not quoting anyone but this is the only way I saw that I could post. So I had some health issues and gained a ton of weight I reached 313 but now I'm 243 I'm 6'1 and just trying to continue to lose weight while getting lean muscle and some strength. I lost a ton of strength once I started losing weight. I'm currently on 100 mgs of Deca I know that's nothing but it's for my joints and I'm taking 500 mgs of Testosterone . I was wondering if the deca would help out at all for lean muscle despite it being such a low dose or is it only good for joints..... thank you guys for all your support!

[Back In Black]

Ah my bad, was based on 10 weeks pinning instead of 12 mentioned in original post. (Having to buy an extra vial of T and HCG for 2 weeks extra seemed silly? Tren vials also seem similarly dosed to suit 10 weeks also.)

You don't want to even thinking about tren just yet.

Any leftover test will be fine in a cool dark place. Any leftover Hcg will need to be thrown away and if your ai and pct are research chems then I'd suggest you get new ones each cycle but pharma is best.

First timers 12 weeks is fine, better chance of recovery. Running 17 weeks is a little reckless imho. No need.

[evanescent]

Cheers for the help! Last question, is this modification alright?

- Week 1 to 10: Test E 250 mg every 3.5 days
- Week 11 to 12: Test P 140 mg EOD

Then wait 3 days to start PCT instead of 2 weeks?

[Back In Black]

Cheers for the help! Last question, is this modification alright?

- Week 1 to 10: Test E 250 mg every 3.5 days
- Week 11 to 12: Test P 140 mg EOD

Then wait 3 days to start PCT instead of 2 weeks?

Honestly, keep it simple. Test e for 12 weeks then 14 days til PCT. no point, on your first cycle, trying to be clever.

[w33man696]

hey guys, I'm brand new here and am one of those that needed to read this post. I've got kind of an interesting situation so i was hoping you guys would be able to answer some questions. So long story short, I'm an ex drug user and the result of this is that my free testosterone was around a 7, and I'm 26 years old. so starting in a few weeks ill be prescribed some form of testosterone, HCG , and some form of estrogen blocker which ill be on for a year straight due to another medication I'm taking. so I'm planning on just doing everything the doctor orders for the first few months but I've decided after years of lifting id like to do a cycle and I'm wondering how would a post cycle work in this situation if I'm not going to come off of the testosterone for a year? is this something i should even consider adding another compound to at some point or just forget about it? I realize I'm showing how little i know here, but hey thats why I'm here i wanna do it right and safely. any advice would help.

[Back In Black]

^^^^Start a new thread in the HRT section buddy but once you start TRT that's it for life.

[Hayder H]

Hi I got this HCG product but I need to be sure that its a good type the seller told me its made by German but dont know there is no German on the vial ...

thanks

[numbere]

Hi I got this HCG product but I need to be sure that its a good type the seller told me its made by German but dont know there is no German on the vial ...

thanks

Karma Pharmatech GmbH

[Hayder H]

Karma Pharmatech GmbH

thanks I've got it

[JR_PT]

Hey all, quick couple of questions! About to start this cycle in 1 week and want to make 1 alteration.. I'll keep everything exactly the same except extended during cycle.

I've seen many run their first cycle for 15 weeks rather than the usual 12. I was going to do the same if gains are still high at the 12th solely because of the quantity that I purchase in. Pros/Cons?

Thanks for any advice, and definitively found this post to be the most informative and explanatory out of all on the internet for first users!

Cheers J!

[kelkel]

You can, but remember longer isn't necessarily better. Your extra quantity will not go bad. Save it for next cycle and you're ahead of the game already.

[Back2Basics]

Although I'm not completely new to Steroids , I found reading this extremely helpful. Appreciate the time you took to type it up. Awesome post.

[JR_PT]

You can, but remember longer isn't necessarily better. Your extra quantity will not go bad. Save it for next cycle and you're ahead of the game already.

Thanks mate, will the HCG keep as well? Just assumed it deteriorated over time, similarly as my last cycle of peps..

Also was thinking of including CJC1295 w/Ipamorellin 3x100mcg per day. Thoughts?

[evanescent]

Thanks mate, will the HCG keep as well? Just assumed it deteriorated over time, similarly as my last cycle of peps..

Had the same question. Cough up for a 2nd vial and switch halfway between starting and beginning PCT (8.5 weeks, if you're running Test E and have a 2 week buffer before PCT.. 15 weeks + 2 off + PCT).

HCG apparently deteriorates even in powder form and I'd be careful about that if it's UGL quality not well stored.

You can run a reconstituted batch for 90 days, then start upping the dose 10% a week after.. but I'm yet to establish whether that's bro-science. Wouldn't risk it for the sake of your balls.

[mad4it]

Great info
Clearly I haven't done enough homework
Best step back abit and start a fresh me thinks

Regards T

[Good2Joe]

This is amazing, I learned quite a bit, and will follow it for my 1st cycle for sure! Thank you!

[dxtrtst]

Looking at Austinite's recommendation for the AI of 0.25mg EOD, do I just measure out 0.25mL each time with an oral syringe since the liquidex I have is 1mg/mL? It just seems like such a small amount that it would be easy to mess up. I suppose a better question would be how would I take/measure the liquidex I have which is 1mg/mL? Thank you.

[Back In Black]

Looking at Austinite's recommendation for the AI of 0.25mg EOD, do I just measure out 0.25mL each time with an oral syringe since the liquidex I have is 1mg/mL? It just seems like such a small amount that it would be easy to mess up. I suppose a better question would be how would I take/measure the liquidex I have which is 1mg/mL? Thank you.

Use a 1ml insulin syringe and yes, 0.25ml = 0.25mg.

[dxtrtst]

Thanks Back in Black. Would I be able to use 25ga syringes I already have? Is there a specific reason for using the smaller insulin syringes? I was thinking of just squirting it into a small glass of water and then drinking it rather than putting it directly on or under my tongue. Thanks again in advance.

[Back In Black]

Smaller syringes make it easier to measure the right amount. You'd only need one for the entire cycle as it doesn't need to be sterile.

And a syringe is a syringe, normall 1ml, 2ml, 3ml, 5ml etc

Hrperdermic needles are measured in gauges like the 25 you mention.

[leanmac]

Hi, long time reader, first time poster. Exceptional thread, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge and experience.

I'm considering doing my first cycle based off my research so far and the dosages outlined in this thread.

I wrote down a cycle plan in a spreadsheet to get it clear in my head;
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Do you think this looks right for a first time cycle of enanthate ?

With regards to dosage timing, taking the enanthate and hCG on the same day, is it okay to inject hCG straight after your enanthate injection? Does this matter whether you're injecting hCG subQ or IM?

And with the Arimidex , Nolvadex and Clomid, does it make any difference when during the day they're taken?

Cheers

[kelkel]

Did not look at your spread sheet but if you're following what's laid out in this thread you'll be fine.
Yes, you can inject the hcg at the same time. Even in the same syringe but for your first cycle I'd suggest keeping it separate. SQ will be easier although both are effective.
No difference for adex as it's EOD.
No difference for Nolva.
Take clomid at bed time to sleep through any potential sides.

Glad you finally joined!