HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

**austinite** · 11-08-2014, 10:07 PM

250 IU twice weekly.

**Lion19821** · 11-09-2014, 10:20 AM

Can I just ask with regards the superiority of Bac water vs. other potential dilutants (eg the sodium chloride) is this a question of sterility past a few days, or does it concern the degradation of the HCG ?

In other words, if you used sodium chloride and kept the reconstituted HCG in the fridge for a month, would it have considerably less potency, or just be a higher infection risk? Or both?

This is just out of idle curiosity, I use bac water but it occurred to me that ai don't know the exact reason it's the correct choice.

**BeingSwole** · 11-09-2014, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lion19821

Can I just ask with regards the superiority of Bac water vs. other potential dilutants (eg the sodium chloride) is this a question of sterility past a few days, or does it concern the degradation of the HCG? In other words, if you used sodium chloride and kept the reconstituted HCG in the fridge for a month, would it have considerably less potency, or just be a higher infection risk? Or both? This is just out of idle curiosity, I use bac water but it occurred to me that ai don't know the exact reason it's the correct choice.

Bacteriostatic water has benzyl alcohol which is a preservative that prolongs the use of what you're trying to dilute. The non Bacteriostatic water is for single use.

http://bacteriostaticwater.com/

**Lion19821** · 11-09-2014, 12:05 PM

Yes, but "Prolongs the use" from a sterility perspective, or from an HCG integrity perspective, or both? That's my question, purely for my own edification.

**BeingSwole** · 11-09-2014, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lion19821

Yes, but "Prolongs the use" from a sterility perspective, or from an HCG integrity perspective, or both? That's my question, purely for my own edification.

Preserves integrity of HCG . Both waters are sterile but the bac is antimicrobial.

**Lion19821** · 11-09-2014, 12:38 PM

Awesome, thanks.

And Austinite, can I just say that the information in this (and other threads) is exceptional. Nothing like a dispassionate description of the endocrine system to dispel bro-science myths about HCG on-cycle.

**jolter604** · 11-22-2014, 02:47 PM

if u are sterile on the juice,does adding hcg mean u have swimmers again?

**Lemonada8** · 11-22-2014, 03:42 PM

why is this not a sticky post?

**jolter604** · 11-23-2014, 09:47 AM

if steroids make you sterile....does hcg make sperm active while u r on test?

**kelkel** · 11-23-2014, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by jolter604

if steroids make you sterile....does hcg make sperm active while u r on test?

Steroids are not birth control and do not make you sterile. Yes, the potential for pregnancy is lessened but not gone. Yes, HCG will help maintain fertility.

**xzed** · 12-14-2014, 08:57 AM

Taking hcg during cycle does not make sense. Here why:

FALSE

uring cycle your LH is suppressed. I have to take hcg to increase.
TRUE: During cycle your testo levels are high incredibly. HCG cant do anything while you have this much testo on your blood. Because your lh is primarly follow your testo(negative feedback). At the same time hcg dosage advised from you is very low. Your body won't recognize any
hcg if you won't decrease your testo level. I was on 2.month of my cycle. Alwaya xheceked testo and lh levels and they were stable. And started hcg on 3. month. After a month my testo levels and lh were exactly SAME.

FALSE: when i finish my cycle after stopping testo, my lh will increase and and while its increased its wrong to take hcg
TRUE: Your lh will not increase after cycle for a long time. Check your lood levels after cycle and see whats going on. Your lh will try to increase but It will take time. This where hcg have to kick in. Hcg is for hipogonodotrophic hipogonadizm which explains everything.
Check pubmed articles and read pregnyl treatment informations. You cant see dosage and treatment types which talking here

**Noone290** · 01-12-2015, 01:13 AM

I have a question I am now on my 9 of out 10 weeks on tren and test. And want to know if I should take the hcg now or after? I read the thread and great read on information but confused about my situation. Wether I should do it now, during pct or when I start my final cycle?

Edit: I'm 6'5 currently 280. If anyone can answer this question it would be much appreciated. Also if you can give me a recommended dosage since this will be my first time taking hcg. Anything I need to know when, how much, etc please let me know. Thanks

**austinite** · 01-12-2015, 04:55 PM

^ Too late, especially with tren in the mix. Extend your PCT and hope for the best.

**naxxy** · 01-12-2015, 10:11 PM

Amazing post, very informative. Have been told of people doing 1,000 iu shots of hcg ...... have thought they were idiots, and now i know for sure. haha

**Noone290** · 01-12-2015, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

^ Too late, especially with tren in the mix. Extend your PCT and hope for the best.

Ok. How much do you recommend 250 or 500 twice a week? Or do you recommend I gradually increase to 500 twice a week from 250?

And how long do you recommend the extended pct?

**Iron Mind** · 01-13-2015, 01:05 PM

Awesome read, pretty much covers everything. The fridge is for more a problem yeah.. But this article gives some more insight about the real need for a fridge and your hCG . 90 days in the fridge, mixed. And max a week without a fridge, mixed. Got it.

I'm not sure what dose to run 2-3x 250iu. Some say 750iu would be too much, but some say that it is better than 500iu weekly. Anyone with more info on what should be better..?

Btw, If I would run a 12 week test-e cycle, should I discontinue hcg use after week 12 or week 14? And just discontinue hcg use 4-5 days before I start PCT or should I discontinue hcg use in week 12.

**austinite** · 01-14-2015, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Noone290

Ok. How much do you recommend 250 or 500 twice a week? Or do you recommend I gradually increase to 500 twice a week from 250?

And how long do you recommend the extended pct?

PCT for 6 weeks should be OK. Get blood work 6 weeks after you're done and check LH/FSH and testosterone levels to confirm recovery.

Originally Posted by Iron Mind

Awesome read, pretty much covers everything. The fridge is for more a problem yeah.. But this article gives some more insight about the real need for a fridge and your hCG . 90 days in the fridge, mixed. And max a week without a fridge, mixed. Got it.

I'm not sure what dose to run 2-3x 250iu. Some say 750iu would be too much, but some say that it is better than 500iu weekly. Anyone with more info on what should be better..?

Btw, If I would run a 12 week test-e cycle, should I discontinue hcg use after week 12 or week 14? And just discontinue hcg use 4-5 days before I start PCT or should I discontinue hcg use in week 12.

500iu per week is plenty for just about anyone. hCG stops when steroid injection/intake stops. So 12 weeks. That two week period prior to PCT is also recovery time, so avoid hCG during those two weeks.

**Iron Mind** · 01-14-2015, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

PCT for 6 weeks should be OK. Get blood work 6 weeks after you're done and check LH/FSH and testosterone levels to confirm recovery.

500iu per week is plenty for just about anyone. hCG stops when steroid injection/intake stops. So 12 weeks. That two week period prior to PCT is also recovery time, so avoid hCG during those two weeks.

Alright, got it. Thank you! What's is btw your thought about dropping the hcg 5 days before PCT starts. I also saw that method passing by on the internet.

**austinite** · 01-14-2015, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Iron Mind

Alright, got it. Thank you! What's is btw your thought about dropping the hcg 5 days before PCT starts. I also saw that method passing by on the internet.

Same thoughts I have in the article I wrote

hCG on cycle ONLY.

**Iron Mind** · 01-15-2015, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Same thoughts I have in the article I wrote

hCG on cycle ONLY.

Ah okay, since it's suppressive, I can imagine that, but won't you get testicular atrophy in those last 2 weeks just before PCT starts then if you drop hCG on cycle?

I'm just trying to put the pieces together for myself, thanks for your time

**austinite** · 01-15-2015, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Iron Mind

Ah okay, since it's suppressive, I can imagine that, but won't you get testicular atrophy in those last 2 weeks just before PCT starts then if you drop hCG on cycle?

I'm just trying to put the pieces together for myself, thanks for your time

No need to worry about that. It's not likely unless your last injection was a 19-nor, which is not smart anyways. But either way, that is recovery time and recovery time only.

hCG on cycle only.

**Iron Mind** · 01-16-2015, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

No need to worry about that. It's not likely unless your last injection was a 19-nor, which is not smart anyways. But either way, that is recovery time and recovery time only.

hCG on cycle only.

Alright, thanks for your info. Really helpful.

**monster-ish** · 02-07-2015, 12:41 AM

thanks for the post great info. I have a quick question. im going to run it on cycle as suggested. my question is do I stop taking hcg right after last pin? I will be taking test e so I will wait 2 weeks to start pct including clomid and nolvadex . does this sound right?

**austinite** · 02-07-2015, 10:31 PM

^ yes. on cycle only.

**Bombas-tdot** · 02-20-2015, 02:25 PM

does this mean i should ignore everyone saying to freeze each individual syringe with pre-meassured dose?

**austinite** · 02-21-2015, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Bombas-tdot

does this mean i should ignore everyone saying to freeze each individual syringe with pre-meassured dose?

Freezing is mentioned in the article.

**FrenchyUK** · 02-21-2015, 01:18 PM

Sorry if the questions have already been asked. What do you mix it in? Can you inject on the same day as your test?

**Sfla80** · 02-21-2015, 01:29 PM

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**austinite** · 02-21-2015, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by FrenchyUK

Sorry if the questions have already been asked. What do you mix it in? Can you inject on the same day as your test?

you mix it in the vial it came in.

Yes, you can inject the same day.

**FrenchyUK** · 02-23-2015, 02:28 PM

Okay. Thank you.
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**Gorgos** · 02-26-2015, 05:42 AM

Why on earth do I read so much about using extreme amounts of HCG during PCT? upp to 5000iu /week

**ocman** · 03-20-2015, 04:48 PM

Just curious, why does Ovidac 2000iu lyophilized hcg says to reconstitute with 2ml of 0.9% w/v sodium chloride, not bacteriostatic water?

**fitguy** · 03-20-2015, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by xzed

Taking hcg during cycle does not make sense. Here why:

FALSE

uring cycle your LH is suppressed. I have to take hcg to increase.
TRUE: During cycle your testo levels are high incredibly. HCG cant do anything while you have this much testo on your blood. Because your lh is primarly follow your testo(negative feedback). At the same time hcg dosage advised from you is very low. Your body won't recognize any
hcg if you won't decrease your testo level. I was on 2.month of my cycle. Alwaya xheceked testo and lh levels and they were stable. And started hcg on 3. month. After a month my testo levels and lh were exactly SAME.

FALSE: when i finish my cycle after stopping testo, my lh will increase and and while its increased its wrong to take hcg
TRUE: Your lh will not increase after cycle for a long time. Check your lood levels after cycle and see whats going on. Your lh will try to increase but It will take time. This where hcg have to kick in. Hcg is for hipogonodotrophic hipogonadizm which explains everything.
Check pubmed articles and read pregnyl treatment informations. You cant see dosage and treatment types which talking here

Any opinions on that ?

**austinite** · 03-20-2015, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

Any opinions on that ?

Yes, it's in the article. All of it.

**Iron Mind** · 03-21-2015, 04:59 AM

Hmm so I got some hCG with sterile water instead of bacteriostatic water. This brand was supposed to be for 1 x injection only, but since I'm not injecting 5000iu at once, but like 500iu per week. I'm left with 5000iu and 1 ml of sterile sodium chloride 0,9%, so without the 0,9% benzyl alcohol.

So I'm thinking about mixing the hCG with the sterile water and divide this amount upon x slin needles and then freeze the amount in that I don't need to preserve the hCG.

But now I'm unsure if this is a smart thing to do? I read mixed stuff about freezing hCG. Some say you can freeze it and some say you can't. I'm not sure what to do, keeping it in the refrigarator might not be smart, since it would be mixed with sterile water instead of bacteriostatic.

Is it fine to freeze in the slin needles or would I need bateriostatic water and just keep the other needles in the refrigator at a higher temperature? Thanks a lot.

**600@50** · 03-21-2015, 06:28 AM

The sterile sodium chloride water is for one time use. You need bacteriostatic water to use multiple times. Get bac water and then you won't have any issues.

**Iron Mind** · 03-21-2015, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by 600@50

The sterile sodium chloride water is for one time use. You need bacteriostatic water to use multiple times. Get bac water and then you won't have any issues.

I can imagine that yes, when I want to keep it in the refrigarator.

But my question was if I can get away with keeping it in the freezer, since then I won't need bac water for this time. But then I must use the freezer (sub zero temperature)

If I can't use the freezer than I would need bac water for sure to keep it in the refrigarator instead of the freezer.

**600@50** · 03-21-2015, 01:05 PM

You can keep HCG unconstituted in the freezer that's fine. After you add the bac water you keep that vial in the fridge. Don't use the sodium chloride water at all.

**Iron Mind** · 03-21-2015, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by 600@50

You can keep HCG unconstituted in the freezer that's fine. After you add the bac water you keep that vial in the fridge. Don't use the sodium chloride water at all.

I mean of course if I can keep it in the freezer when it's mixed.