Proposed cycle

[sensaispike]

Any thoughts?

Stats:
30yrs
Been training over 10yrs
5’6’
200lbs
Bodyfat% ~ 12-15% (setting up a bod pod screening to confirm)
Diet is in check, training is in check!

Proposed cycle:
Week 1-4 40mg D-bol ED
Week 1-14 250mg Test-E 2 X per week
PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Liquidex .25/.25/.25/.25

Thanks

[Back In Black]

You need to run your AI on cycle not PCT. No HCG ?

First cycle?

Nice stats btw.

[sensaispike]

I was not planning on HCG , I am not entirely convinced that it is necessary…. I am somewhat frustrated with all the conflicting information on HCG and PCT… For example, this proposed PCT I listed above is directly from a sticky from this board, and it advises running AI during PCT not during the cycle…. I have been a member of this board for some time and it seems like everything I research something the protocol changes…
Any ways, this is sort of my first cycle, I started this cycle about 1-2 yrs ago but had to stop about 2 weeks in due to an injection infection… other than that I had done a few prohormones in the past…

[austinite]

Sticky threads are being updated. Lot's of old info.

hCG on cycle to prevent testicular atrophy, maintain stimulation of leydig cells so that they are not desensitized, speeds up recovery and maintains overall health/function in the testes. That's not questionable today.

Unless you have a body that does not belong on earth, then your body will convert testosterone to estrogen. So an AI is needed on cycle. Failing to monitor/manage estrogen will result in a host of side effects. Gynecomastia is not the only concern. That is also not questionable today. Using an AI during PCT is likely to cause more harm than good.

There's is never a need to frontload 2 weeks worth of PCT. Tamoxifen at 40/20/20/20 and Clomiphene at 75/35/35/35 would suffice. If an aggressive PCT is needed (not that your cycle needs it) you would merely extend your PCT span.

[sensaispike]

ok, so we are talking about running the Liquidex @ .25mg per day for the full 14 weeks then??? As for the hCG I have seen a lot of info indicating that is should be run at 250iu to 500iu per week for the duration of the cycle... but I have also seen info to indicate as much as 5,000iu to 10,000iu per week..... additionally my source for hCG provides it in "single serving" amps that are set to mix 1ml @ 5,000iu, thus some of the confusion....

Thanks for the help guys, I am really looking forward to getting this nailed down for once and all and executing a successful cycle.

[austinite]

There's never a need to dose Arimidex daily. Every other day would suffice. Dose would be adjusted should you require more inhibition.

hCG dose needs to be the least amount that works for you. An indicator would be testicular size. There's never a need to use more than 1500 IU total per week, and never more than 500 IU at once. Blasting 1000's of IU's will reults in elevated intratesticular E2 which cannot be managed with an AI, along with other potential complications.

I think that before you continue with anything, you'll need to understand how your HPTA works. Here are some links that I recommend you read, in order...

- Explanation of HPTA / Endocrine System & How Steroids Affect You
- My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle
- HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[kelkel]

And we're done.

[sensaispike]

And we're done.

Yeah... not just yet slick.... I do however appreciate the complelatly constructive post....

[sensaispike]

austinite, thanks for the links I will check these out and regroup shortly with any additional questions...

[Igifuno]

Here is another link that will help you understand why it is important to have an AI regimen during cycle.

The Dangers of Elevated Estrogen in Men

[GSXRvi6]

I was not planning on HCG , I am not entirely convinced that it is necessary…. I am somewhat frustrated with all the conflicting information on HCG and PCT… For example, this proposed PCT I listed above is directly from a sticky from this board, and it advises running AI during PCT not during the cycle…. I have been a member of this board for some time and it seems like everything I research something the protocol changes…
Any ways, this is sort of my first cycle, I started this cycle about 1-2 yrs ago but had to stop about 2 weeks in due to an injection infection… other than that I had done a few prohormones in the past…

No HCG means nut shrinkage, nut shrinkage = harder restart

Yes they shrivel up, I can post a pick of you don't believe me.

[mockery]

why not run test 750 weekly for 10 weeks and from weeks 5-10 run the dbol at 30 daily for 5 weeks

[Cuz]

you will see good resilts off 500mg since you are 30, and since its pretty much your first time cycling. test only is recommended

[mockery]

you will see good resilts off 500mg since you are 30, and since its pretty much your first time cycling. test only is recommended

this guy has been cycling for years so why assume its a first time cycle.

[DAAS]

it is somewhat confusing that hcg would come in a single serving 5,000iu vial if that isnt the way it should be used.

some people claim no pct and just 1 5,000iu shot after the cycle. I agree that there are many schools of thought. in general i just trust what austin says. one day he will say muscle can be gained by jumping off cliffs and that will be my last log in

[austinite]

this guy has been cycling for years so why assume its a first time cycle.

I was not planning on HCG , I am not entirely convinced that it is necessary…. I am somewhat frustrated with all the conflicting information on HCG and PCT… For example, this proposed PCT I listed above is directly from a sticky from this board, and it advises running AI during PCT not during the cycle…. I have been a member of this board for some time and it seems like everything I research something the protocol changes…
Any ways, this is sort of my first cycle, I started this cycle about 1-2 yrs ago but had to stop about 2 weeks in due to an injection infection… other than that I had done a few prohormones in the past…

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[mockery]

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no one is really honest about their cycle history, his post history makes me think its not really his first.

[Back In Black]

I was not planning on HCG , I am not entirely convinced that it is necessary…. I am somewhat frustrated with all the conflicting information on HCG and PCT… For example, this proposed PCT I listed above is directly from a sticky from this board, and it advises running AI during PCT not during the cycle…. I have been a member of this board for some time and it seems like everything I research something the protocol changes…
Any ways, this is sort of my first cycle, I started this cycle about 1-2 yrs ago but had to stop about 2 weeks in due to an injection infection… other than that I had done a few prohormones in the past…

this guy has been cycling for years so why assume its a first time cycle.

no one is really honest about their cycle history, his post history makes me think its not really his first.

So let's not believe him then? Or anybody else for that matter? Let's just assume that everybody is full of sh1t rather than the odd one or two?

[mockery]

So let's not believe him then? Or anybody else for that matter? Let's just assume that everybody is full of sh1t rather than the odd one or two?

go spend 20 minutes reading every thread and post hes made on here since 2003. then when u read what i read we will be on the same page. BFF

[Back In Black]

go spend 20 minutes reading every thread and post hes made on here since 2003. then when u read what i read we will be on the same page. BFF

You've read them, can you post links to the ones where he is on cycle please?

[sensaispike]

go spend 20 minutes reading every thread and post hes made on here since 2003. then when u read what i read we will be on the same page. BFF

If I had been cycling for years now and was only 200lbs @ ~12-15% BF I would have given up on steroids years ago... haha this is funny..... I have been researching and posting questions on this site for about 10 years... I have used a few useless PH's but that is all.... its all there in my old posts so feel free to read away.... So maybe if we can not believe anyone we should not believe your claims

The reason there are so many posts from me that talk about researching cycles and asking questions is because I do not want to actually do a cycle until I am 100% confident that I am doing it correctly.... So if you can produce any link that shows I have done a cycle before, (other than the one I talked about above where I stopped 2 weeks in due to an infection) please do so....

to everyone else thanks for the input....

[sensaispike]

Ok,

I have done some additional reading and the following is what I am proposing.

Week 1-14: 500mg Test E (250mg 2 X per week)
Week 1-14: 500mg hCG (250mg 2 X per week)
Week 1-14: .25mg Liquidex EOD unless more is needed
Week1-4: 40mg D-bol ED

PCT:

Nolva: 40/20/20/20
CLomid: 75/35/35/35

Thanks again guys!!!

[bigspin]

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Austinite great article in MD if thats you.