Opiates while on cycle? Broke my thumb

**davesah1** · 04-25-2014, 05:18 PM

So I read all this shit on google about opiates suppressing natural test. "NATURAL Test". I'm on 750 mgs on test E so my body isn't making any to begin with... Also some say it has a positive effect on growth hormone . How would opiates effect someone on cycle if they suppress natty test? I can eat just the same on them and than when I don't take them. Doc prescribed 30mg Percocet AKA blues. I can workout with the cast just use machines for certain exercises. Thanks guys. It ****ing throbs a lot so I drop a blue before bed.

**davesah1** · 04-25-2014, 05:22 PM

based on googling bunch of people say a cycle is a waste if you use opiates.

**davesah1** · 04-25-2014, 05:22 PM

cant be worse than the sauce

**Black** · 04-25-2014, 06:37 PM

You're 18. Seriously man.

**David LoPan** · 04-25-2014, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dante Diamond

You're 18. Seriously man.

Stop taking AAS and start the pct. Then pray you didn't mess your natural test up for the rest of your life.

**davesah1** · 04-25-2014, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by BigTahl

Stop taking AAS and start the pct. Then pray you didn't mess your natural test up for the rest of your life.

lol age on this site is not my age. I am 20. started when I was 19 and had no issues. Hit puberty when I was 13 and my dad is 5'4 and mom is 5'3 I am 5'7. I have no worries about that. relax guys. If anything you should be advising the older 40+ age groups to not use AAS. They have the issues with recovery as anything that has to recover is getting shittier with age. Hangovers at 40 are not the same at 20. Don't worry about my body. Its fine.

**davesah1** · 04-25-2014, 08:52 PM

If i could find the bloods I had from first cycle I would post them. im looking, was about 600 (forget the units). Im in college majoring in chem engineering, one thing people need to learn in life is to put things into perspective.

**davesah1** · 04-25-2014, 09:49 PM

i have friends that did dbol ONLY cycles at 16 or 17 for 6 weeks and apparently are fine (according to their doctors). I spent those 3 years from 16-19 doing my HW on these drugs, AAS. and yes you can safely use them at my age, anything else is sheerly a myth. The issues come from ****ed up this to ****ed up that bc the "kid" had no clue what he was doing. Steroids and youngsters 19+ are very overrated. Give me one horror story of a person age 19 - 21 years old using PED's at a reasonable level following proper protocol that is messed up for life or has a messed up endocrine system for life. It wont happen unless there's genetic predisposition or he's an ignorant meathead. At my age the human body is remarkable. I break a bone and it will recover twice as fast as my older 40+ counterparts. Why are my hormones so different. My brain/endocrine system are at their epitome. Im young, dumb, you would say, and full of cum. But guess what? cycle 1 went beautiful and odds so will cycle 2 will also. I know a kid who suffered gyno bc he was extremely obese. Ever here of that? Obesity leading to higher e levels resulting in gyno and higher voice etc. we shouldn't preaching PED's ruining kids lives and focus more on McDonalds. It's my choice and I want advice not horror stories.

**davesah1** · 04-25-2014, 09:54 PM

don't get me wrong, my one friend's friend did d-bol for 8 weeks has bitch tits and and has mood swings worse than a pregnant woman. BUT He didnt listen to a word I said. I'm reaching out to you veterans for proper and optimal advice. Disregard my age it of no concern, You would be amazed at the amount of kids my age or younger using these compounds and not knowing their ass from their elbow. I wanna know the middle of elbow from the epicenter.

**marcus300** · 04-25-2014, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by davesah1

lol age on this site is not my age. I am 20. started when I was 19 and had no issues. Hit puberty when I was 13 and my dad is 5'4 and mom is 5'3 I am 5'7. I have no worries about that. relax guys. If anything you should be advising the older 40+ age groups to not use AAS. They have the issues with recovery as anything that has to recover is getting shittier with age. Hangovers at 40 are not the same at 20. Don't worry about my body. Its fine.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**marcus300** · 04-25-2014, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by davesah1

don't get me wrong, my one friend's friend did d-bol for 8 weeks has bitch tits and and has mood swings worse than a pregnant woman. BUT He didnt listen to a word I said. I'm reaching out to you veterans for proper and optimal advice. Disregard my age it of no concern, You would be amazed at the amount of kids my age or younger using these compounds and not knowing their ass from their elbow. I wanna know the middle of elbow from the epicenter.

You have no idea what your on about but one day you will realise what we are trying to explain to you, but again it will be too late.