First cycle advice please - Test-e

**xHarborx** · 08-29-2014, 11:01 PM

Looking to start my first cycle, thinking of this:

1-12 test-e 500mg (250mg mon morning, 250mg thurs evening)
1-14 aromasin 12.5mg EOD

weeks 15 & 16 Aromasin 7.5mg EOD
15-19 nolva 40/20/20/20/10
15-19 Clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5

with this amount of AAS/test do i need this much PCT? or would just the nolva at 40/40/20/20/10 ran along side the aromasin be enough? what are the benefits of having both?

Also since I haven't sourced prices yet off the guys i know, if I can't get Aromasin here in Australia or it's too expensive compared to Arimidex .
How much Arimidex would i run during and post cycle?

just curious aswell, would it be bad to either be cutting the first 4 weeks of using gear or cut/reduce calories the last 4 weeks? then return to maitenence or slightly above post cycle
or is it best to just lean bulk the whole time?

Thanks heaps!

**Khazima** · 08-29-2014, 11:14 PM

Stats?

**xHarborx** · 08-29-2014, 11:26 PM

age:25
height: 180cm (5'10" i think)
weight: 153lb, just finished cutting a few weeks ago.
bodyfat: no idea, guesstimate, 10-12%
i think closer to 10%
been training for a few years.
been counting macros/calories for a while too.

**Mp859** · 08-29-2014, 11:34 PM

Doesn't sound like you have a base physically.

**gold43** · 08-29-2014, 11:59 PM

5'10" @153, you need to learn how to eat first.

**xHarborx** · 08-30-2014, 12:07 AM

Hahah, i know how to eat, I wish i could eat more right now, i literally just gain fat so easily though. always have, well before lifting
and have been pn training programs with a good coach too, don't do bro splits or anything.

**anthg89** · 08-30-2014, 12:08 AM

Zyz never had a base he was that skinny it was unbelievable what he turned into with roids. I think its a load of bs about having a base

**anthg89** · 08-30-2014, 12:15 AM

I believe u can start at any base of weight ive seen it with my own eyes. Having more weight u can obviously get bigger but most people just want a nice frame something like zyz

**Khazima** · 08-30-2014, 12:23 AM

Certainly do not listen to this guy ^

**anthg89** · 08-30-2014, 12:28 AM

Dont listen to this guy^^^^

trust me on this my close mate was 67 kilos he did a cycle and his now 85 kilos he looks great

**anthg89** · 08-30-2014, 12:39 AM

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**xHarborx** · 08-30-2014, 12:39 AM

I have more knowledge of training and nutrition than most people i know
and the physiques i aspire to aren't massive but they aren't natural and i definitely don't have the genetics to get to the size of the bigger supposed natural guys anyway

**Back In Black** · 08-30-2014, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by anthg89

Zyz never had a base he was that skinny it was unbelievable what he turned into with roids. I think its a load of bs about having a base

He turned into a cadaver because of heavy drug abuse. 'Nuff said.

**Back In Black** · 08-30-2014, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by gold43

5'10" @153, you need to learn how to eat first.

Originally Posted by xHarborx

Hahah, i know how to eat, I wish i could eat more right now, i literally just gain fat so easily though. always have, well before lifting
and have been pn training programs with a good coach too, don't do bro splits or anything.

Gold is right. Just because you haven't found the style of eating for you to gain muscle doesn't mean it can't be done.

What do you think will happen if you run a cycle? That you will suddenly, magically he able to build lots of muscle and then somehow maintain that muscle with the style of dieting that you follow? No, you will go back to where you were.

We have a great diet forum you should his it instead and take no advice from others who think AAS are magic too.

**xHarborx** · 08-30-2014, 01:56 AM

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my current base

**anthg89** · 08-30-2014, 02:11 AM

Haha love the haters of zyz everyone was just jelous cause of what he had. Dont be mad man and he didnt die from drug abuse if u acutally know about his story he had a heart condition. Rip zyz f** all the haters

**Back In Black** · 08-30-2014, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by anthg89

Haha love the haters of zyz everyone was just jelous cause of what he had. Dont be mad man and he didnt die from drug abuse if u acutally know about his story he had a heart condition. Rip zyz f** all the haters

This explains a lot about your attitude in your threads. If you think that the dead rent boys condition wasn't massively exacerbated by his ABUSE of all drugs then you are sadly misguided. You worship a false god mate now off you go to run tren on your first cycle.

**anthg89** · 08-30-2014, 02:38 AM

You just hate cause he used tren for his first cycle haha lol happy days mate

**Back In Black** · 08-30-2014, 02:43 AM

OP sorry about the hijack. Pick out the relevant bits and head over to the diet section.

**tice1212** · 08-30-2014, 07:37 AM

Sorry this was a Dumb comment

**Baxter35** · 08-30-2014, 10:59 AM

Having a good base indicates that you already have diet and training figured out and are therefore more likely to not only build on cycle but also maintain off cycle. A skinny guy can cycle and get big, but if they don't have the right habits they won't hold onto it. And diet really is the biggest key. I'm 5' 9" and managed to get myself to about 170 with low T prior to starting trt. If I can bulk with total T under 200.....you can too. Eat.

BG · 08-30-2014, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by tice1212

Sorry to say this but bro ur base is sh*t... If i was u i wouldn't be wearing a stringer (im just telling u because that's what everyone in the gym is thinking).. If u want to be a 200lb'er then u have to eat like a 200lb'er.. like BIB said take the info u need and move over to the nutrition section.. Good lucky little bro.

Why don't you keep your dumb attitude e and post to yourself next time. His base isn't that bad, you can tell he is in the gym.

BG · 08-30-2014, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by xHarborx

my current base

Not bad, thanks for the pic. I do recommend hitting the diet section to zero in your diet before you cycle. But you look to me like you are real close. Everyone wants to make sure your diet is right so you retain as much from your cycle as possible and you dont waste suppressing your natural hormones for nothing. Stick around, dont mind the assholes, they come in flocks.

BG · 08-30-2014, 11:17 AM

Lean bulk all the way through DO NOT cut calories at the end.

**Cuz** · 08-30-2014, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by tice1212

Sorry to say this but bro ur base is sh*t... If i was u i wouldn't be wearing a stringer (im just telling u because that's what everyone in the gym is thinking).. If u want to be a 200lb'er then u have to eat like a 200lb'er.. like BIB said take the info u need and move over to the nutrition section.. Good lucky little bro.

Thats very disrespectful man. His base is not shit. Sure he is small. Most of us were. He looks alot like I did when I was 20. He trains. Hes trying and asking for advice so cut him slack

**tice1212** · 08-30-2014, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by BG

Why don't you keep your dumb attitude e and post to yourself next time. His base isn't that bad, you can tell he is in the gym.

Originally Posted by Cuz

Thats very disrespectful man. His base is not shit. Sure he is small. Most of us were. He looks alot like I did when I was 20. He trains. Hes trying and asking for advice so cut him slack

You guys are 100% right. Rough morning when i wrote that.. Sorry bro.

BG · 08-30-2014, 12:12 PM

No problem.

**Baxter35** · 08-30-2014, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by xHarborx

my current base

I didn't notice the pic earlier. Even though you're light, id say you actually have a pretty solid base. Its obvious you lift anyway. You look really lean, so I think you can afford to gain a little fat and still look lean which means your in a good position to bulk, not worry about cutting. Obviously nobody wants to get fat, but sometimes you have to be mentally willing to accept gaining at least a little to get where you want. Btw, if you use arimidex the recommended starting dose is .25mg eod.