tren base & test base

**khaled_mgsx** · 09-20-2014, 03:10 PM

hi guys its my first post in here
i want to take your opinions about this cycle for 6 weeks or 40 days
2 vails tren base 50mg
20 cm test base 100 mg
on eod basis

dostinex 1 mg every week during cycle
femara or arimidex in hand
nolvadex in hand
i see there is no need for hcg

the majority of my PCT with a standard 40/40/20/20 protocol.
no need for clomid

my stats
age : 23
height : 184
weight : 83
bf : 17%
this is my first cycle
lifting for 1 year

hope to hear from you guys

**kelkel** · 09-20-2014, 06:52 PM

One whole year? 365 Days?

Be patient and put your time in the gym Khaled. Then when you've maxed out your natural potential use Austinites Successful First Cycle thread in his Educational Articles Database as your guide. What your proposing is horrible. Self-Educate and keep training hard.

**khaled_mgsx** · 09-21-2014, 03:07 AM

Yea 1 whole year consistently and I have been lifting before this year but not consistently .
I put realy effort on reading and educating my self before I use any AAS
first cycle
Pcts
Ai & serms & hcg
So what do you think ?

**lovbyts** · 09-21-2014, 03:57 AM

What he is saying is 1yr is only a short time and anyone considering doing any aas should have at least 3 years of consistent training under their belt. Before that all you need is food/diet and proper training. You are also more prone to injury because even though you think your ready and you think your muscles are ready to grow more quickly your tendons arent. Neither is your HPTA and if you had done much reading/research like you said you would realize this.

Test base also is not pinned EOD, it's 2-3x every day.

**khaled_mgsx** · 09-21-2014, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

What he is saying is 1yr is only a short time and anyone considering doing any aas should have at least 3 years of consistent training under their belt. Before that all you need is food/diet and proper training. You are also more prone to injury because even though you think your ready and you think your muscles are ready to grow more quickly your tendons arent. Neither is your HPTA and if you had done much reading/research like you said you would realize this.

Test base also is not pinned EOD, it's 2-3x every day.

i already knew that anyway bcz its without ester .but i don't need that much pinning at my first cycle

thats why i choose eod basis
,and i guess 1 year is enough and i have been playing before that since i was 18 but not consistently .

**lovbyts** · 09-21-2014, 06:04 AM

Well you are still guessing wrong. Have fun with the mood swings while your hormone levels rise and fall like a roller coaster every day. You have no idea what you are doing or how it works.

I have little doubt you will be back asking for help but probably under a new user name.

**khaled_mgsx** · 09-21-2014, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Well you are still guessing wrong. Have fun with the mood swings while your hormone levels rise and fall like a roller coaster every day. You have no idea what you are doing or how it works.

I have little doubt you will be back asking for help but probably under a new user name.

appreciate your replay , maybe i still guessing wrong thats why i post this theard seeking for the best way to do this cycle
so tell me how it works ?
thanks

**kelkel** · 09-21-2014, 09:35 AM

Being determined is a good thing. That said, be determined to do things correctly. Read the attached link, especially the Successful First Cycle Thread:

Austinite's Educational Article Database

**PistolPete33** · 09-21-2014, 12:37 PM

This cycle is wrong in every way possible. Nobody is trying to be a d!ck to you we are just trying to steer you in the right direction. Your first few years of training will yield some of the best results. Until you reach your genetic potential you shouldn't touch AAS.

**khaled_mgsx** · 09-21-2014, 05:52 PM

thanks guys for your replays i found out that i should wait two more years to build a solid base and reach my genetic potential then i start considering AAS .
during this period i'll keep educating & reading about AAS to start from the right way.

cheers

**kelkel** · 09-21-2014, 06:49 PM

Great move. Stick around here, read-learn-contribute. Hit up the Nutrition forum.

**PistolPete33** · 09-21-2014, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by khaled_mgsx

thanks guys for your replays i found out that i should wait two more years to build a solid base and reach my genetic potential then i start considering AAS .
during this period i'll keep educating & reading about AAS to start from the right way.

cheers

Great idea. I agree with Kelkel about sticking around. Learn how to diet and eat and learn about the pros, cons, and risks of cycling and in the future if you think it's right for you then you will be completely prepared and knowledgable enough to make a good decision.

**lovbyts** · 09-21-2014, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by khaled_mgsx

thanks guys for your replays i found out that i should wait two more years to build a solid base and reach my genetic potential then i start considering AAS .
during this period i'll keep educating & reading about AAS to start from the right way.

cheers

I hope you are serious and not just saying what you think we want to hear. If you are serious then that puts you at the top of the class and above the average IQ. You will not regret waiting and learning. We see 10x more problems than successes from cycles like this especially with the young and I'm sure most never come back or admit they had problems.

I almost did the same thing at your age and I'm glad I waited. I knew several people who didnt wait and I can say they most all had issues and did not continue the weight training lifestyle.

**khaled_mgsx** · 09-22-2014, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Great move. Stick around here, read-learn-contribute. Hit up the Nutrition forum.

Yea I will do that

thanks

**khaled_mgsx** · 09-22-2014, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I hope you are serious and not just saying what you think we want to hear. If you are serious then that puts you at the top of the class and above the average IQ. You will not regret waiting and learning. We see 10x more problems than successes from cycles like this especially with the young and I'm sure most never come back or admit they had problems.

I almost did the same thing at your age and I'm glad I waited. I knew several people who didnt wait and I can say they most all had issues and did not continue the weight training lifestyle.

Im serious with my decision bcz I still see progress without AAS I just wanted to make it faster but I couldnt realise the consequences .
ill stick around as you guys say to prepare and get a good knowledge before I use AAS when right time comes .

**LegendKiller85** · 09-22-2014, 10:53 PM

I wish I would of Waited longer.I started juice at 21and was making gains consistent and steady when I did my first cycle with 3 years prior training experience.If I could go back I would see where my body would have plateaued at.After a few Cycles its hard to make gains naturally again I dont care what any of these guy's say.