New Study on long term steroids use

[Slacker78]

Tha question is: what does it mean exactly ?

Long-term anabolic androgenic steroid use is associated with increa... - PubMed - NCBI

[XxAndreaxX]

you'll die younger

[Slacker78]

you'll die younger

Yes, this is the first ( and pointless ) version what else ?

[almostgone]

Sounds like long term use/abuse creates an increased risk of conduction errors regarding the hearts electrical impulses and how the muscle reacts to those impulses. Possibly along the lines of left bundle branch block??? But that's just an uneducated guess.

[Mr.BB]

My conclusions:

The study is small, 33 individuals and all young. The authors also conclude this stating it and that further larger group studies should be conducted.

They found small evidence of increasead heart electrical markers that ussually precedes arrhythmias, on AAS user groups.

This study is inconclusive in my opinion. One of the 1st conclusions they reach is that AAS users have a much high body mass. This alone would make the heart work harder. Its much easier for a heart to supply blood to a 150 lbs person than a 220lbs person, is it not? It would be interesting to compare individuals with same body mass.
Also, and i quote,"However, it is not clear that AAS using bodybuilders are more prone to rhythm disturbances compared to nonusers", they talk many times of other studies evidence, so it seems they are at least a bit, influenced to find negative evidence on AAS.

We all know that AAS usage (many time abbuse) takes a toll on the body, so sounds normal to me that long time usage leads to earlier tear and wear of our bodies, including internal organs. Every AAS user should be completely aware and accept this, AAS will probably not prolong our lifes, on the contrary, it can lead to earlier deaths.
That is why it is important to educate ourselfs on every drug we take and make educated decisions.
Having said this it all depends on each individual how it reacts to drugs and how fast it can overcome the steroids use.

[fightnews]

My conclusions:

The study is small, 33 individuals and all young. The authors also conclude this stating it and that further larger group studies should be conducted.

They found small evidence of increasead heart electrical markers that ussually precedes arrhythmias, on AAS user groups.

This study is inconclusive in my opinion. One of the 1st conclusions they reach is that AAS users have a much high body mass. This alone would make the heart work harder. Its much easier for a heart to supply blood to a 150 lbs person than a 220lbs person, is it not? It would be interesting to compare individuals with same body mass.
Also, and i quote,"However, it is not clear that AAS using bodybuilders are more prone to rhythm disturbances compared to nonusers", they talk many times of other studies evidence, so it seems they are at least a bit, influenced to find negative evidence on AAS.

We all know that AAS usage (many time abbuse) takes a toll on the body, so sounds normal to me that long time usage leads to earlier tear and wear of our bodies, including internal organs. Every AAS user should be completely aware and accept this, AAS will probably not prolong our lifes, on the contrary, it can lead to earlier deaths.
That is why it is important to educate ourselfs on every drug we take and make educated decisions.
Having said this it all depends on each individual how it reacts to drugs and how fast it can overcome the steroids use.

Thats what I hate the most Guys who use steroids and refuse to admit that they are in any way unhealthy for you. I'm not judging as my first cycle is underway and I used plenty of andro before the ban but I don't try and delude myself about the dangers of steroid use .

[Bonaparte]

Sounds like long term use/abuse creates an increased risk of conduction errors regarding the hearts electrical impulses and how the muscle reacts to those impulses. Possibly along the lines of left bundle branch block??? But that's just an uneducated guess.

Same basic idea, but in the upper portion of the heart, rather than the ventricles at the bottom. Without going into too much depth, this finding alone is pretty much inconsequential. However, if AAS use caused delays between the atria, it probably causes other delays and conduction abnormalities that they likely just weren't attempting to observe in this study.

[Slacker78]

My conclusions:

Every AAS user should be completely aware and accept this, AAS will probably not prolong our lifes, on the contrary, it can lead to earlier deaths.
That is why it is important to educate ourselfs on every drug we take and make educated decisions.
Having said this it all depends on each individual how it reacts to drugs and how fast it can overcome the steroids use.

So, are you stating AAS users are convicted to early death ? I'm not going to become mr. Olimpya, but make moderate cycles to help to get some gains. Yes, it depends on the individual body how it reacts to the drug, but if i should image i'm going to early death, i should cease immediately them.

[bass]

I for one noticed PVC's since starting TRT, but I believe I always had them and TRT simply made them more intense, probably because my heart is healthier and stronger now! I was told by my cardiologist that half of the world has PVC's and only 10% of them now it, it seems that my PVC's act up when my E2 is elevated, also notice them more when Hematocrit is up, I donate blood and they go away. sound to me its not directly caused by testosterone , but rather by the effects of testosterone on other things like elevated E2, Hematocrit, RBC, etc...

[Mr.BB]

So, are you stating AAS users are convicted to early death ? I'm not going to become mr. Olimpya, but make moderate cycles to help to get some gains. Yes, it depends on the individual body how it reacts to the drug, but if i should image i'm going to early death, i should cease immediately them.

Well, sometimes words are difficult for me, I just think its not the healthiest thing to do. And might not be directly related to the drugs, like I said before I think its harsher on internal organs to support a 220lbs instead of a 150lbs body.

[Motardpdx]

AAS can be dangerous....?
We all understand steroids do carry risks and these risks increase with abuse and improper use, as with any drug. I believe that's why we advocate on this forum before considering anabolics, that you should educate before you medicate. Cheers!

[Iron Mind]

AAS can be dangerous....?
We all understand steroids do carry risks and these risks increase with abuse and improper use, as with any drug. I believe that's why we advocate on this forum before considering anabolics, that you should educate before you medicate. Cheers!

Yeah it's all about "damage control" I think by doing blood work, yearly check-ups and to try prevent abuse and improper use.

Interesting topic. Always good to dive in a study like this.

[Slacker78]

Yes, but stating that AAS use ( USE and not ABUSE ), could shorten our lives it's pretty hard to accept. So, which of you could use AAS aware to die early ? I don't think nobody. Yes, we all follow general rules to limit every risk... but using AAS in a moderate dosages and short times ( one or two cycles at year ), HOW MUCH lower the rate to risk to die early ? I know this is hard question, but it's an important question... it becomes a stupid question, when someone ignore the value of its life and health i think....

[Iceberg]

Anything you take too much of is dangerous. Moderation is key.

[Iron Mind]

Yes, but stating that AAS use ( USE and not ABUSE ), could shorten our lives it's pretty hard to accept. So, which of you could use AAS aware to die early ? I don't think nobody. Yes, we all follow general rules to limit every risk... but using AAS in a moderate dosages and short times ( one or two cycles at year ), HOW MUCH lower the rate to risk to die early ? I know this is hard question, but it's an important question... it becomes a stupid question, when someone ignore the value of its life and health i think....

It's hard to make statements on stuff like that, because we simple don't know.

Smoking, drinking too much alcohol also harms your health and may cost you same years of your life, still a lot of people do that. I think that's something everyone has to decide for themselves in a benefit vs. risk ratio. And this ratio is not written in stone and may vary from individual to individual.

It's at least good that you're thinking about this subject, though.

[Slacker78]

There's a lot of data that is confused and bad organized even in the studies. Some studies state a thing, other ones reject the same later and so on. Yes, many people smoke, drink alcohol and they are subject to higher risks. It could be useful to collect some useful general guidelines, so we know through dosages, drug, times we could feel inside a safe profile. In William Llewellyn's anabolics's book, i have read that the safer ratio gain/risks in total dosages is 750mg/week ( regardless the drug used ) and do not overcome 12 weeks of cycle. Of course, a long rest period is almost mandatory, when the cycle is finished. Supplements and diet control is a MUST too, of course. Is also told, that short-time AAS cycle do not exceeding those dosages, and with an enough rest time period after cycle, are very safe....

[Iron Mind]

There's a lot of data that is confused and bad organized even in the studies. Some studies state a thing, other ones reject the same later and so on. Yes, many people smoke, drink alcohol and they are subject to higher risks. It could be useful to collect some useful general guidelines, so we know through dosages, drug, times we could feel inside a safe profile. In William Llewellyn's anabolics's book, i have read that the safer ratio gain/risks in total dosages is 750mg/week ( regardless the drug used ) and do not overcome 12 weeks of cycle. Of course, a long rest period is almost mandatory, when the cycle is finished. Supplements and diet control is a MUST too, of course. Is also told, that short-time AAS cycle do not exceeding those dosages, and with an enough rest time period after cycle, are very safe....

Could be, man. who knows. I think there are no guarantees on this subject, but what I do think is that if you're keeping the dosages moderate and checking blood and body regularly and maybe most important of all: eat healthy.

You're at least trying to keep the risks to a minimum compared to someone who just randomly does something and has no clue what he is doing.

My 2 cents.

[almostgone]

Same basic idea, but in the upper portion of the heart, rather than the ventricles at the bottom. Without going into too much depth, this finding alone is pretty much inconsequential. However, if AAS use caused delays between the atria, it probably causes other delays and conduction abnormalities that they likely just weren't attempting to observe in this study.

Thanks, Bona. I was hoping you would post up regarding this.

[lovbyts]

Ive read several studies that suggest most everyone has some type of heart arrhythmiain their life and many live with it all the time. I had a co worker who had a serious AF he got from having phenomenon. It was serious enough they were talking about stopping his hear and re starting it.

Atrial fibrillation (also called AFib or AF) is a quivering or irregular heartbeat (arrhythmia) that can lead to blood clots, stroke, heart failure and other heart-related complications. Some people refer to AF as a quivering heart. An estimated 2.7 million Americans are living with AF.

There is a difference between longevity and quality of life IMO.

[austinite]

Meh. Young subjects only, super small group, self-reporting, no follow-ups, zero arrhythmia, no predictions... I can go on and on.

Study is garbage. Way too limited. At least until it's done properly.

[Iron Mind]

Ive read several studies that suggest most everyone has some type of heart arrhythmiain their life and many live with it all the time. I had a co worker who had a serious AF he got from having phenomenon. It was serious enough they were talking about stopping his hear and re starting it.

Atrial fibrillation (also called AFib or AF) is a quivering or irregular heartbeat (arrhythmia) that can lead to blood clots, stroke, heart failure and other heart-related complications. Some people refer to AF as a quivering heart. An estimated 2.7 million Americans are living with AF.

There is a difference between longevity and quality of life IMO.

I've heard recently from a cardiologist, that probably every young man on this earth suffered AF at some point during sports or exercise. Probably just for a short amount of time, but still.. Most of us probably didn't even notice it.

And you're last statement is true for sure.

[Iron Mind]

Meh. Young subjects only, super small group, self-reporting, no follow-ups, zero arrhythmia, no predictions... I can go on and on.

Study is garbage. Way too limited. At least until it's done properly.

It is indeed a shame that such studies have no follow-up or have a larger study population.

[Juced_porkchop]

It's hard to make statements on stuff like that, because we simple don't know.

Smoking, drinking too much alcohol also harms your health and may cost you same years of your life, still a lot of people do that. I think that's something everyone has to decide for themselves in a benefit vs. risk ratio. And this ratio is not written in stone and may vary from individual to individual.

It's at least good that you're thinking about this subject, though.

100 % agreed! ^^^

and low test can shorten life... i think in many cases you will live longer... it really depends on lifestyle and genetics and also how you may have lived life without aas....

[mark woods]

Lots of stuff can cause early death...but personally speaking my lifestyle has completely changed since I decided to use...my drinking is cut down to a handful of times a year my training is like clock work food intake is really clean granted what we do is not optimal for living as long as possible but we are giving ourselves every opportunity to do so

[XxAndreaxX]

There's a lot of data that is confused and bad organized even in the studies. Some studies state a thing, other ones reject the same later and so on. Yes, many people smoke, drink alcohol and they are subject to higher risks. It could be useful to collect some useful general guidelines, so we know through dosages, drug, times we could feel inside a safe profile. In William Llewellyn's anabolics's book, i have read that the safer ratio gain/risks in total dosages is 750mg/week ( regardless the drug used ) and do not overcome 12 weeks of cycle. Of course, a long rest period is almost mandatory, when the cycle is finished. Supplements and diet control is a MUST too, of course. Is also told, that short-time AAS cycle do not exceeding those dosages, and with an enough rest time period after cycle, are very safe....

Its always the same story, one man smokes cigarrettes his whole life, and he dies at 90yo
Another one, breaths passive smoke and gets a freakin cancer. It depends on your general heart condition. You have aritmia? You have high BP?? You suffer from blood clots?? You have parents that suffered from bad heart conditions? Colesterol? So expect AAS won’t help you, and might be the last thing you should think about.
You don’t have any of that symptoms? Then AAS use (not abuse) might not harm you that much.

[Nobuddy]

I might die early, but it will be an open casket service because I'm gonna be one sexy corpse :-D