Liv support?

**tobias 34** · 01-27-2015, 09:08 PM

How long could I run winstrol with no liv support?

**austinite** · 01-27-2015, 10:29 PM

Tobias, this is a very strange approach. Why would you run anything without liver support? It's the cheapest and most readily available compound on earth. I'm very curious...

**lovbyts** · 01-27-2015, 10:56 PM

You could run it until your liver gives out and you go on dialysis or die. Does that answer your question?
You could also run it until you have permanent or temporary damage.

The questions is why would you want to?

**Montanaguy** · 01-27-2015, 11:25 PM

I take this stuff year round. Its cheap and it works. I take more support products when I'm on cycle. I can't post the link yet but you can easily look it up.

Himalaya Herbal Healthcare LiverCare/Liv.52, Liver Support

PT · 01-28-2015, 05:50 AM

Nobody should ever take orals without some kind or liver support. There super cheap and can be bought anywhere

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-28-2015, 08:45 AM

NAC is so cheap and literally just a click away for you right now I cant see why you would even wonder this.

**Buster Brown** · 01-28-2015, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Montanaguy

I take this stuff year round. Its cheap and it works. I take more support products when I'm on cycle. I can't post the link yet but you can easily look it up.

Himalaya Herbal Healthcare LiverCare/Liv.52, Liver Support

That's a good one and economical as well.

**Juced_porkchop** · 01-28-2015, 10:57 AM

I highly rec NAC myself. and I really hope your not considering on running an oral only cycle... it would be very stupid in my opinion....

**fitnesstrainer** · 01-28-2015, 11:16 AM

Is NAC as effective as TUDCA or UDCA?

**bass** · 01-28-2015, 11:32 AM

not only it aids the liver but I feel a great sense of joint pain relief when I take it.

**bass** · 01-28-2015, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by fitnesstrainer

Is NAC as effective as TUDCA or UDCA?

as far as I know NAC is the most effective liver support supplement out there.

**Ashop** · 01-28-2015, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by tobias 34

How long could I run winstrol with no liv support?

I think its a good idea to always run a liver protectant like Synthergine
through the entire cycle.

**tobias 34** · 01-28-2015, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

I highly rec NAC myself. and I really hope your not considering on running an oral only cycle... it would be very stupid in my opinion....

Where is the best place to get NAC, and of course I'm not runnin an oral only cycle. I've actually already laid my cycle out in another thread but anyways ..I was just impatient on starting the win and have not yet obtained any liv support. To be honest it slipped my mind while ordering

**bass** · 01-28-2015, 02:48 PM

ar-r or pretty much any supplement store.

**-Horus-** · 01-28-2015, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by tobias 34

Where is the best place to get NAC, and of course I'm not runnin an oral only cycle. I've actually already laid my cycle out in another thread but anyways ..I was just impatient on starting the win and have not yet obtained any liv support. To be honest it slipped my mind while ordering

Originally Posted by bass

ar-r or pretty much any supplement store.

I was also looking at some liver support and have used liv52.
Is ar-r a trust worthy site? I tried chemical AI once and it was shit... I had to get UGL AI. I have been looking at Peptides and chems also and toying with ideas for next cycle are they good for this also? : D

Thank you for input anyone!

**vikes1981** · 01-28-2015, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

You could run it until your liver gives out and you go on dialysis or die. Does that answer your question? You could also run it until you have permanent or temporary damage. The questions is why would you want to?

Lmfao, this is true

**bass** · 01-28-2015, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by -Horus-

I was also looking at some liver support and have used liv52.
Is ar-r a trust worthy site? I tried chemical AI once and it was shit... I had to get UGL AI. I have been looking at Peptides and chems also and toying with ideas for next cycle are they good for this also? : D

Thank you for input anyone!

I believe AR-R is a better product than the ones I purchased for vitamin stores, NAC has an odor kind of like Garlic, when I open AR-R NAC bottle that odor slaps me in the face, strong, other ones same odor but not as strong.

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-29-2015, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by bass

I believe AR-R is a better product than the ones I purchased for vitamin stores, NAC has an odor kind of like Garlic, when I open AR-R NAC bottle that odor slaps me in the face, strong, other ones same odor but not as strong.

I am pleased with their nac as well. It works great and I like that it is capped not just powder. Much more convenient.

**tobias 34** · 02-01-2015, 03:33 PM

Is injectable win liver toxic?

**NACH3** · 02-01-2015, 04:12 PM

Most AAS is liver toxic to a degree(for the most part) but nothing like Orals!! It's slways good to run some kind of liver Support throughout a cycle...

**jstone** · 02-01-2015, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by fitnesstrainer

Is NAC as effective as TUDCA or UDCA?

From what I have read tudca, and udca is much more effective than any liver support product out there. NAC can only prevent liver damage, while tudca, and udca not only prevents liver damage it can actually reverse liver damage. From what I have read.

I only heard of it recently, and I have not done extensive research on them. What little I have read all has pointed to tudca, and udca being much more effective than NAC.

**NACH3** · 02-01-2015, 04:45 PM

Long term I agree!... If your running a mild oral(anavar winny)or any oral, as you can take over 2400mg if needed(NAC is fine)...but overall TUDCA & UDCA are more efficient...

**jstone** · 02-01-2015, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Long term I agree!... If your running a mild oral(anavar winny)or any oral, as you can take over 2400mg if needed(NAC is fine)...but overall TUDCA & UDCA are more efficient...

I take NAC, but have been reading about tudca/udca. I definitely agree that NAC is great, but I have been thinking about trying tudca/udca.

**NACH3** · 02-01-2015, 07:19 PM

Yeah I've been lookin into it as well... But also Liv52?...

**tobias 34** · 02-01-2015, 08:50 PM

I've done a good bit of research since I started this thread and think TUDCA better for orals

**tballz** · 02-02-2015, 06:56 PM

UDCA and NAC is what I use while taking an oral like dbol and my liver values are beautiful when I get blood-work done.

**tobias 34** · 02-02-2015, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by tballz

UDCA and NAC is what I use while taking an oral like dbol and my liver values are beautiful when I get blood-work done.

Is TUDCA as good?

**jimmyinkedup** · 02-02-2015, 07:31 PM

I like NAC for prevention/ UDCA for treatment.
I also prefer UDCA over tudca. Tudca is supplement companies way of trying to say the sell UDCA but in fact it is not the same as the compound as UDCA. UDCA is what you will find all the data on that reverses liver damage.

**tobias 34** · 02-02-2015, 08:51 PM

Where would I find UDCA at?

**tballz** · 02-02-2015, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by tobias 34

Where would I find UDCA at?

The sponsor here has UDCA and NAC. ar-r.com - Buy your research supplies and peptides!

**lovbyts** · 02-02-2015, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I like NAC for prevention/ UDCA for treatment.
I also prefer UDCA over tudca. Tudca is supplement companies way of trying to say the sell UDCA but in fact it is not the same as the compound as UDCA. UDCA is what you will find all the data on that reverses liver damage.

Good to know, I didnt realize this. I need to check what I have at home, UDCA or TUDCA.

I did some researching and it seems there are studies being done to see the difference between TUDCA and UDCA but I cant find any that show results as of yet.

**jstone** · 02-03-2015, 02:44 AM

Tudca (Tauroursodeoxycholic acid)
Udca (Ursodeoxycholic acid)

To get udca you have to get it from some place like ar-r . Udca is a prescription drug, tudca is available from supplement retailers.

Tudca is the taurine conjugate of Ursodeoxycholic acid (udca)

Thanks for the info jimmyinkedup.

For my everyday use i will stick with NAC, but when I start taking an oral I will get some udca from ar-r. The main reason I use NAC is because I have read it helps with chelation. I shoot a lot, and Re load my own ammunition. I'm very careful, but I do use it to help with the lead that ends up in my blood stream. I get my lead levels checked every summer and it has never been high, or even elevated above safe levels.

**jimmyinkedup** · 02-03-2015, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by jstone

For my everyday use i will stick with NAC, but when I start taking an oral I will get some udca from ar-r. The main reason I use NAC is because I have read it helps with chelation. I shoot a lot, and Re load my own ammunition. I'm very careful, but I do use it to help with the lead that ends up in my blood stream. I get my lead levels checked every summer and it has never been high, or even elevated above safe levels.

This is very interesting to me. I have a friend who does lead abatement and he also take NAC as well. He has quarterly blood work to test levels. He has never had an issue when about 70% of all the emplyees have , at one time or another, been forced to take off time and then had a retest which they had to pass in order to return.

**tobias 34** · 02-04-2015, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I like NAC for prevention/ UDCA for treatment. I also prefer UDCA over tudca. Tudca is supplement companies way of trying to say the sell UDCA but in fact it is not the same as the compound as UDCA. UDCA is what you will find all the data on that reverses liver damage.

Would AR-R UDCA be real? As I thought you could not purchase this without a script

**tballz** · 02-05-2015, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by tobias 34

Would AR-R UDCA be real? As I thought you could not purchase this without a script

It's the real deal. You don't need a script since it's for research only and not human use.

**jstone** · 02-06-2015, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

This is very interesting to me. I have a friend who does lead abatement and he also take NAC as well. He has quarterly blood work to test levels. He has never had an issue when about 70% of all the emplyees have , at one time or another, been forced to take off time and then had a retest which they had to pass in order to return.

The NAC has worked well for me. I know some guys that shoot, and reload roughly the same amount as i do. A few of them have been told they need to take a break, because there levels are to high. I told them about NAC, and it helped bring there levels back to acceptable. One of them also cast's his own lead bullets, and since he started with the NAC his levels have been lowered. His were always borderline, but with the NAC they are much lower.