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i recently purchased saizen hgh 8.8mg per vial. i'm taking 2 iu's of 5mg's a day for two weeks now and can see some results. what should i expect from this dosage? also, what is a good cycle in terms of iu's/mg's day and length of cycle??? any response would be appreciated.
Never done hgh, but here are a few thing I have found on the board, hope it helps.
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I use hGH and my body fat is going way down and I continue to hold my weight at 205. I am 6.2 medium build, hard gainer but since use of hGH have put on 15 lbs. I have been taking 8 ius weekly for 5 weeks.
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When I am able to use it, I use 6iu pd. Two divided doses (3iu each) one upon waking the second post workout. 5 on and 2 off. My usual cycle of GH lasts 3 months sometimes slightly more. The type of GH I use is Serostim...
I am in my late 30's. The results for me have always been excellent!!!! I have done many cycles without GH and the exact same cycles with GH, the difference with the addtion of GH is remarkable. I get better strength increases, tendon problems all but dissappear, quality of gains and physique are much better!! Localized fat loss (more at the point of injection) is amazing!! If I could afford to run it more often I definitely would!!!
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Have been using Serno Serostim for about 5 weeks now. I'm injecting 4-6 IUs a day, everyday(the reason for 4 to 6 is that each bottle holds 18ius so I inject 4-4-4-6). Currently I'm on my 2nd kit and I've got one more kit left. Everything that I've read and researched has said that you need to do an minimum of 4-6ius a day to get results.
Inregards to results, I'm just now starting to see this stuff paying off. I inject subcutaneous into my midsection... ie love handles. It took some time, but my girlfriend and I have noticed how the fat in my midsection has recently started going away. I'm hoping that things will only get better with time.
I mix with Bacteriostatic water as well but each bottle only sits for 3 days. I've heard the same things that you are stating. Static water mix is good for a couple of weeks. Also the instruction that come with the kits states that you should roll in hand when mixing.
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For the average 70 kg man, the recommend dosage at the start of therapy is not more than .4mg given as a daily subcutaneous injection. The dose may be increased on the basis of individual patient requirements to a maximum of 1.75 mg daily in patients younger than 35years of age and to a max of .875 mg daily in patients older than 35.
Keep in mind this is for patient that have a need for Gh therapy and are under a doctors care.
These are AACE clinical practice guidelines for growth hormone use.
See the post on the hGH look for more info on side effects.
Good luck. Dont use hGH without a doctor. Its not something to play around with. Lab work is a must.
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This is not a source post I am just trying to provide as much info on hGH and this is a good summary. It is from a wedsite that I am not going to name. I just dont want anyone to think I wrote this.
"What is HGH (Human Growth Hormone) ?
The first step in our education is to become familiar with some of the terms and definitions used while discussing Human Growth Hormone. Ready? Let's jump right in...
What is a Hormone?
Hormones are tiny chemical messengers that help our body do different tasks. Hormones are made up of amino acids. Hormones are produced by the endocrine glands and then sent all over the body to stimulate certain activities. For example, Insulin is a well known hormone that helps our body digest food. Our growth, digestion, reproduction and sexual functions are all triggered by hormones.
What is Human Growth Hormone?
Human Growth Hormone (HGH or hGH) is the most abundant hormone produced by the pituitary gland (pituitary is one of the endocrine glands). The pituitary gland is located in the center of the brain. HGH is also a very complex hormone. It is made up of 191 amino acids - making it fairly large for a hormone. In fact, it is the largest protein created by the Pituitary gland.
HGH secretion reaches its peak in the body during adolescence. This makes sense because HGH helps stimulate our body to grow. But, HGH secretion does not stop after adolescence. Our body continue to produce HGH usually in short bursts during deep sleep.
Growth Hormone is known to be critical for tissue repair, muscle growth, healing, brain function, physical and mental health, bone strength, energy and metabolism. In short, it is very important to just about every aspect of our life!
What is Recombinant Growth Hormone (GH)?
Recombinant Growth Hormone is GH that is synthesized in the lab. It is a biosynthetic hormone that is identical to human growth hormone, but it is synthesized in the lab. Creating an exact replicate of HGH was not an easy task.
First scientist needed to isolate HGH. Once they achieved this step they could study the DNA make-up of the protein. Scientist quickly realized making recombinant GH would be no easy task since they had to accurately reproduce a 191 amino acid hormone.
I wish I could say it was the quest to help mankind that lead to the invention of recombinant GH, but really it was money! Pharmaceutical companies knew that there was big money to be made if they could create HGH in a test tube. Scientist from the major drug companies raced to produce the 191 amino acid hormone in a test tube. While Genentech first claimed victory in 1985, it was a short lived success. The recombinant GH they made was a 190 amino acid match - they were one amino acid off from HGH. This left the door open for Eli Lilly, who in 1986 created a 191 amino acid hormone that was an identical match to the HGH produced by the pituitary gland. The drug is called Humatrope and is the most widely used recombinant growth hormone today.
What is IGF-1?
IGF-1 stands for Insulin-like Growth Factor 1. IGF-1 is also known as Somatomedin-C. As important as HGH is, it does not last long in our bloodstream. In just a few short minutes our liver absorbs HGH and converts it into growth factors. IGF-1 is the most important growth factor that is produced. So, IGF-1 is a hormone just like HGH, but it is easier to measure in the body because it stays in our bloodstream longer than HGH. You can think of HGH as the hormone that gets the ball rolling, but IGF-1 does most of the work.
"Frequent Asked Questions on HGH?
Can I get mad cow disease and other diseases from taking HGH?
In order to answer this question, we need to discuss some of the history to HGH supplementation. Back in 1958 HGH injections were first used to treat children with an HGH deficiency that resulted in stunted growth. The thought was, if they could raise the HGH levels in children with an HGH deficiency, they may be able to get the children to grow normally.
In order to get HGH for these injections, there was only one source - the brains of cadavers. Yes, morbid as it sounds they used thousands of dead people's brains to extract HGH to inject into children. The good news was that it did help children grow. From 1958-1980 thousand of children received HGH injections.
The bad news was that the HGH supply had become contaminated with the virus that causes Creutzfeld-Jakob or "mad cow" disease. Normally when an extraction from a human part is done, heat is used to kill any possible virus. The problem was that HGH can not be heated or it breaks apart. The best they could do was pasteurize the HGH. In the 80's it became painfully clear that this was not good enough. The evidence mounted that the HGH injections were responsible for children developing mad cow disease. Obviously, the FDA immediately put an end to growth hormone injections.
In 1985 scientist were able to create synthetic growth hormone in the lab - recombinant HGH (click here for a definition of recombinant HGH). This was a major breakthrough, as growth hormone was only the second recombinant DNA drug ever developed (insulin was the first). By producing a synthetic growth hormone scientist were able to remove the risk of mad cow disease. No more squeezing brains to make HGH - now it could be made in a test tube. With the risk removed the FDA once again approved HGH injections. As long as you take a recombinant HGH, you are not at risk for mad cow disease.
Why is the 1990 Dr. Rudman HGH study considered such a landmark?
Dr. Rudman's study - Effects of Human Growth Hormone in Men over 60 Years Old (New England Journal of Medicine, 1990;323:1), marked the first time a therapy had been shown to reverse aging. Up until this point most people just accepted that we all age and there is nothing you can do about it. Dr. Rudman showed that this was not the case. In fact, his study showed that 6 months of growth hormone injections turned the clock back 10-20 years on his subjects.
The other key to Dr. Rudman's study was that it was a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical study done on humans. This is one of the highest level of clinical studies.
While we at Advice HGH consider the study a landmark, it has been seriously taken out of context on many web sites. Dr. Rudman injected very high levels of recombinant HGH on 60 year or older patients. When a web site says that their oral HGH supplement will have the same effect on 20 year olds - it is just not true. As we discuss in our articles, there are some HGH enhancing supplements that work very well, but just beware of people misquoting Dr. Rudman's study.
Does HGH supplementation cause cancer?
All indications are there HGH supplements do not cause cancer. The best evidence for this comes from the work of Dr. Chen and Dr. Terry. Chen and Terry run a clinic where they perform HGH injections. From 1994 - 1996 they treated over 800 patients with HGH injections. Amazingly there have not been any reports of cancer from any of the patients. As Dr. Terry stated in Grow Young with HGH, "With 800 people over the age of about 40, you would think that given normal incidence rate of cancer, some of these people would get cancer. It could be that there is some sort of protective effect from growth hormone replacement."
How can I measure my HGH levels?
HGH is only present in the body for a short period of time. However, IGF-1 (if you need definitions for these terms - click here) is present in the body at all times. Since, IGF-1 does most of the work for HGH - it is easiest to measure IGF-1 levels. Blood and saliva tests can show your IGF-1 levels. Generally, the lower your levels, the more you stand to gain from HGH enhancing supplements. "
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In a study of hGH therapy for adults here are the side effects:
115 adults, 6 months applied therapy
37.4% developed edema (serous fuild in the tissues)
19.1 % developed arthralgia ( (neuralgic pain in joint)
15.7 % myalgia ((muscular rheumatism)
7.8% paresthesias (impaired skin sensation)
1.7% carpal tunnel.
These symptoms most commonly occurred at the outset of therapy and most resolved within 1 to 2 months while therapy was continued.
I am only 5 weeks in to my 6 month therapy. I use 8 iu a week. Thats .44 mg per day
Hope this was helpful.....
Products approved in the US
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Thank you sooo much. Your info was very interesting, and very easy to read. I have been trying as much as I can to study HGH, and this helped big time!!!!
Great post....I too am very interested in HGH!! Shit is hard to get ahold of though....
Man, i'm on the 3rd month now and i got some baaaaad pain in my joints...specially in the arms...and some myalgia...that hurts a lot...there's some days that i just cant lift a chair because of the pain....
Is gh the great american secret? how do they get so big and shreaded there?Quote:
Originally posted by LOGANXXX
Man, i'm on the 3rd month now and i got some baaaaad pain in my joints...specially in the arms...and some myalgia...that hurts a lot...there's some days that i just cant lift a chair because of the pain....
are you from brazil really? do you know the secret?
That was some good info Bro.
nuggethead how about your stats, age, height, weight and cycle history. If your going to do hgh do it ed.
JohnnyB
sou, pode me perguntar em portugues
e ai blz. de onde vc é? sou de sp e malha a três anos, tomando bola a 2. mas não consigo entender como esses caras conseguem atingir um peso tão alto, com uma qualidade tão grande em tão pouco tempo. vc sabe qual é o segredo dos caras?
é esse segredo mesmo velho, gh....
eu to tomando, é um absurdo a diferença...esses caras chegam a tomar de 15 à 25 ius por dia....
ele aumenta o efeito de qualquer bola que vc botar junto.
é realmente animal, vale à pena
o preço dele aqui no brasil é muito alto ainda pra nossa realidade. o preço lá tbm não é baixo, mas a realidade é outro. quanto vc paga aqui? vc compra pela net? tem algum canal?
Sim, tenho minhas fontes, e tambem consigo pela net se quiser.....
mas gh é embassado de comprar pela net, ele estraga por qquer coisa, se ficar 15 minutos fora da temperatura ele estraga..é muito delicado. eu só compro de quem eu 'tenho confiança, e gosto de pegar em mãos....pago até mais caro por isso....
Food is the secret;)
Hey Bros I'm glad your from the same country, but your conversation should be done through pm, since it has no value to the thread or for those of us who don't speak Portuguese;)
JohnnyB
Consider it done my friend.....;) portuguese only through pm:p :p
Jhonnyb, could you please take a look at my last thread, its very important to me to listen your opnion about it....
http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...threadid=57449
thanks again