Been on for 6 months at 18

[andy15]

Stats:
Age 18
Height 6'2
Starting Weight 218 Pounds (98kg) Starting Bf 14.2% (measured by dexa scan)
Current weight 245 pounds (111kg) Most recent Bf measurement 9.6% (maybe 2 weeks ago)

My very detailed story with questions at the end
This is a no bullshit story and just remember not everyone has access to the knowledge of the internet, In my case it is way too late to have realised to be looking at these forums rather than listening to word and mouth from supposed knowledgable sources at the gym. Realistically most the people I know that are on are abusing steroids .

My cycle of abuse started after another failed venture to win a national title. I come from an athletic background, i compete in array of sports involving cardiovascular and muscular endurance. I have been bodybuilding and powerlifting as a hobby since i was 14. But i decided i was going to take both of these aspects of my life to the next level, I was going to compete in powerlifting properly. I am not going to go into details about what i lift or any deep deep imformation more just provide the story with some questions. But it was definitely viable for me to begin use of AAS. The 1st step was the 'legal option' (Prohormones) this started late January this year which included:

methylstenbolone 16mg daily (4 weeks)
Epistane 40mg daily (5 weeks)
Result: 14 Pounds (7kg)gain 3% body fat reduction- 232 pounds (105.5 kg) 11.4%
Strength wise: 45 pound gain on my squat and bench press (20kg)

With this i bought an OTC PCT and with in days of beginning this i began to shrivel up and become bloated, I felt terrible. I decided it was time to move to the next level after being around the gym for a while i new where to buy certain goods. So approximately 1 week after finishing my pro hormone cycle i started the following:

Testosterone Enanthate 500mg Weekly (10 weeks)
Equipoise 500mg Weekly (10 weeks)
Oral Stanozolol 50mg Daily (4 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ed (First 4.5 weeks)

End Result
Water Buffalo 251 pounds (114kg) Not sure about BF still had abs I'd say around 14% again.
Strength had plateu'd since the prohormones little to no strength gain everywhere, except no more joint pain, lethargy and slept like a baby

By the 10th week of this chapter i had grotesque acne all over my face and back and horrible water retention. Personally my diet wasn't on point but i think i was prone to Estrogenic side effects due to my young age and already high testosterone levels. I decided i was going to get off using chlomid for 4 weeks. After trying almost every acne remedy and lotion I had no choice but to begin Roaccutane. Obviously to receive the Roaccutane i had to get blood work done, at the same time i got roaccutane blood work done i got my nmol test check, At this point in time i was in week 1 of my PCT. My nmol test was at 31.0 so I would imagine my body was starting to crash pretty badly as it was barely over the natural limit now. From week 2-3 of PCT 6kg came off me like nothing it was both water and muscle this scared the shit out of me so i decided i was going to get back on. I was no where near fully recovered. I picked up a blend which was Ripavex by renevex labs. So the cycle was:

Trenbelone Acetate 60mg EOD (6 weeks)
Masterone Propinate 70mg EOD (6 weeks)
Testosterone Propinate 70mg EOD (6 weeks)
Adex 1md Ed (no problems with this)

Following a cut off of the Renvex source I have been on up until now

Trenbelone Acetate 100mg EOD
NPP 100mg E4D (low dose for joints)
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg E4D
Adex 1mg Ed (still no problems with this)

Side Effects include:
Rapid Body hair and facial hair growth
Mild Hair Loss/Thinning
Testicular atrophy (only in bast 2 weeks)
Less times for friends and parting
(Acne has cleared up from accutane)

Up until now i was reluctant to post and never really wanted to get off. But as it comes to the 6 month point of no real full recovery i want to see what others have to say. At the moment i would say i have a physical dependence on the juice as I am an athlete always looking to improve. My future is in the sport but for my healths sakes i would like to have some rest time. So here are my questions

1. How do i get over my dependence on the juice?
2. If i were to stop what would be the most affective PCT so that i would still be training to a reasonable degree?
3. How much damage have i done to myself? Will it be possible to return to what my stats were pre cycle?
4. How much longer can i go without having to do TRT? I would like to do one more competition this year.
5. Are there any real bridge compounds i can use?
6. How long till the mild hair loss becomes noticeable?
7. Will doing some HCG now incase I do compete again next month make recovery easier?

Realistically all i want is a safe plan and guidance from here. All comments will be appreciated, Just remember i do have a very big dependence issue on the Juice so it is going to be very hard for me, i need help to make it as easy as possible getting off them as i would like to do so eventually before its too late. The hardest part is i like to constantly get better year round.
If you need anymore info let me know but i think i have it covered.

[qscgugcsq]

Stats:
Age 18
Height 6'2
Starting Weight 218 Pounds (98kg) Starting Bf 14.2% (measured by dexa scan)
Current weight 245 pounds (111kg) Most recent Bf measurement 9.6% (maybe 2 weeks ago)

My very detailed story with questions at the end
This is a no bullshit story and just remember not everyone has access to the knowledge of the internet, In my case it is way too late to have realised to be looking at these forums rather than listening to word and mouth from supposed knowledgable sources at the gym. Realistically most the people I know that are on are abusing steroids .

My cycle of abuse started after another failed venture to win a national title. I come from an athletic background, i compete in array of sports involving cardiovascular and muscular endurance. I have been bodybuilding and powerlifting as a hobby since i was 14. But i decided i was going to take both of these aspects of my life to the next level, I was going to compete in powerlifting properly. I am not going to go into details about what i lift or any deep deep imformation more just provide the story with some questions. But it was definitely viable for me to begin use of AAS. The 1st step was the 'legal option' (Prohormones) this started late January this year which included:

methylstenbolone 16mg daily (4 weeks)
Epistane 40mg daily (5 weeks)
Result: 14 Pounds (7kg)gain 3% body fat reduction- 232 pounds (105.5 kg) 11.4%
Strength wise: 45 pound gain on my squat and bench press (20kg)

With this i bought an OTC PCT and with in days of beginning this i began to shrivel up and become bloated, I felt terrible. I decided it was time to move to the next level after being around the gym for a while i new where to buy certain goods. So approximately 1 week after finishing my pro hormone cycle i started the following:

Testosterone Enanthate 500mg Weekly (10 weeks)
Equipoise 500mg Weekly (10 weeks)
Oral Stanozolol 50mg Daily (4 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ed (First 4.5 weeks)

End Result
Water Buffalo 251 pounds (114kg) Not sure about BF still had abs I'd say around 14% again.
Strength had plateu'd since the prohormones little to no strength gain everywhere, except no more joint pain, lethargy and slept like a baby

By the 10th week of this chapter i had grotesque acne all over my face and back and horrible water retention. Personally my diet wasn't on point but i think i was prone to Estrogenic side effects due to my young age and already high testosterone levels. I decided i was going to get off using chlomid for 4 weeks. After trying almost every acne remedy and lotion I had no choice but to begin Roaccutane. Obviously to receive the Roaccutane i had to get blood work done, at the same time i got roaccutane blood work done i got my nmol test check, At this point in time i was in week 1 of my PCT. My nmol test was at 31.0 so I would imagine my body was starting to crash pretty badly as it was barely over the natural limit now. From week 2-3 of PCT 6kg came off me like nothing it was both water and muscle this scared the shit out of me so i decided i was going to get back on. I was no where near fully recovered. I picked up a blend which was Ripavex by renevex labs. So the cycle was:

Trenbelone Acetate 60mg EOD (6 weeks)
Masterone Propinate 70mg EOD (6 weeks)
Testosterone Propinate 70mg EOD (6 weeks)
Adex 1md Ed (no problems with this)

Following a cut off of the Renvex source I have been on up until now

Trenbelone Acetate 100mg EOD
NPP 100mg E4D (low dose for joints)
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg E4D
Adex 1mg Ed (still no problems with this)

Side Effects include:
Rapid Body hair and facial hair growth
Mild Hair Loss/Thinning
Testicular atrophy (only in bast 2 weeks)
Less times for friends and parting
(Acne has cleared up from accutane)

Up until now i was reluctant to post and never really wanted to get off. But as it comes to the 6 month point of no real full recovery i want to see what others have to say. At the moment i would say i have a physical dependence on the juice as I am an athlete always looking to improve. My future is in the sport but for my healths sakes i would like to have some rest time. So here are my questions

1. How do i get over my dependence on the juice?
2. If i were to stop what would be the most affective PCT so that i would still be training to a reasonable degree?
3. How much damage have i done to myself? Will it be possible to return to what my stats were pre cycle?
4. How much longer can i go without having to do TRT? I would like to do one more competition this year.
5. Are there any real bridge compounds i can use?
6. How long till the mild hair loss becomes noticeable?

Realistically all i want is a safe plan and guidance from here. All comments will be appreciated, Just remember i do have a very big dependence issue on the Juice so it is going to be very hard for me, i need help to make it as easy as possible getting off them as i would like to do so eventually before its too late.
If you need anymore info let me know but i think i have it covered.

1 Youll get over your dependance by learning about what your are doing.
Knowledge wont make you stop.but you will be able.to.patient until.an appropriate time and youll be able to donit safely.

2 best pct you could.do is a restart attemp.
Meaning HCG blast 1000ui EOD for 10 days and after nolva clomid.
Wait 6 weeks.after completion and get BW done.

3. Damage can vary to absolute nothing to you will ever be able.to get a boner natty... so stop and see. Chance are you did a great deal of damage and might need TRT for the rest of your life. 18YO is young... but young men being fine on the short rune isnt that rare. On the long run however its another story.

4. There is no way to tell... you might run gear for 5 years straight stop cold turkey and come.back fine or.you could.take anavar 2 weeks and never recover...
The longer you are the riskier it gets. And at your age the risk is pretty high... so I highly advice to stop now.

5. Only bridge I would ever consider is peptide. But bridging in itself is not recommended cause it comes with the same risk.

6. Hair loss if purely genetic.
If you are going to lose it youll lose it no matter what.

Be smart and stop. Assess the damage done and hope for the best.

[NACH3]

Were you taking any HCG while on cycle? Any DA(dopamine agonist) for prolactin issues - if you had any... or did you get any BW done)? W/out BW it's impossible to tell you what may happen as stated above! But your very young and the OTC pct was/is always a scam and a waste(always run clomid and nolva - in your case a power pct including HCG) b/c of how long you were/are on!

I won't lecture as it's over with - but now your at least in the right place...

It's definitely more risky when on for long periods w/out the need of HRT... You may bounce back... You may not, but at your age I agree that a HPTA restart may be in order if your BW comes back not so recovered... Especially at your age - or you may be ok - or HRT may be in the future....

[andy15]

I am yet to take any HCG whilst on cycle, I have never been sure if it is worthwhile or not. Would it be worth picking some up now? I have caber on hand although i have not had any prolactin issues as of yet which sort of evens things out with my estro issues haha. I will be getting some bloods, my parents are holding onto my other ones. I know that my liver enzymes are elevated although this is not of concern cause im taking accutane. I have had enough lectures as it is at the end of the day this is most likely to end up in tears. I have thought about stopping and spoken to a shrink about it but this is the last place to turn. Talking to people who have experienced it themselves.

I am probably doomed to end up on HRT but i would like to give it a good try now. So how would we do this HPTA restart your way and what would be the best bridging Peds to make training worthwhile whilst I am in this phase. I hope i will be able to bounce back as i had naturally very high T levels. I have to keep on for another month just for my last competition but would like to plan everything out now so im ready to go and begin the recovery phase without relapsing.

[andy15]

Thank you very much mate

[qscgugcsq]

Ill be flame for it but I say that 1 month more wont be that much worst...

However starting hcg might help a bit.
Stopping any 19nor(nandrolone and trenbolone ) right now will also help.

When you are done do the HCG blast as said above and a proper pct lasting around 5-6weeks.
6 weeks post pct. Get Bw done. And hope for the best

[andy15]

Okay so you think if i do some HCG now it will make recovery a easier process? Then stop my 19 nor stick with test only for a bit then start my clomid or nolva? nothing else to help there, sorry that im so insistent on some bridge options im just not sure and i want to continue training through pct.
BTW- I am pretty badly shut down right now

[kelkel]

What do you compete in?
Post a pic please.

[andy15]

Not comfortable posting pics sorry. Alot of good reasons behind this.

[NACH3]

Okay so you think if i do some HCG now it will make recovery a easier process? Then stop my 19 nor stick with test only for a bit then start my clomid or nolva? nothing else to help there, sorry that im so insistent on some bridge options im just not sure and i want to continue training through pct.
BTW- I am pretty badly shut down right now

Of coarse your shut down - the longer your on the harder to recover(hence HCG while on cycle keeps your testes functional and mimics LH production... So yes HCG can help - especially if your staying on(which I don't think is a good idea - but to each their own)

If you had high T levels - this long cycle is obviously a risk to ever recovering fully to your pre BW baselines! However you could be lucky and bounce back..

I think you need to continue to talk to a professional - but it seems you have an addicted personality(which I can relate to - it's tough but you do have will power... I'd also get into an Endo(or Urologist - whoever is reputable and competent in hormones - and at your age there's other options(if it comes to that - clomid restart, HCG mono therapy, HRT etc - always exhaust all avenues b4 jumping to HRT...

[andy15]

I meant shut down as in noticeable testicular atrophy. Okay i will definitely be picking up some hcg as as soon as possible, hopefully to keep my window for recovery open for longer, if there still is a good one. (i am hopeful)

Yes i remember somewhat getting my blood levels checked at the beginning of last year just for a check up for my diet etc etc and T level was in the low 20s.

Sadly addictive personality disorder run all throughout my family, this is why it is a much bigger issue for me than it really should be. I do have will power which has been shown in the past with other minor things but something like my training which is a big part of my life and my vent. When there is something there it is a much harder issues. Will try get access to an endo as soon as possible. Thanks very much for your help. I dont want to jump to HRT at all. Not at this point.

[NACH3]

I meant shut down as in noticeable testicular atrophy. Okay i will definitely be picking up some hcg as as soon as possible, hopefully to keep my window for recovery open for longer, if there still is a good one. (i am hopeful)

Yes i remember somewhat getting my blood levels checked at the beginning of last year just for a check up for my diet etc etc and T level was in the low 20s.

Sadly addictive personality disorder run all throughout my family, this is why it is a much bigger issue for me than it really should be. I do have will power which has been shown in the past with other minor things but something like my training which is a big part of my life and my vent. When there is something there it is a much harder issues. Will try get access to an endo as soon as possible. Thanks very much for your help. I dont want to jump to HRT at all. Not at this point.

Yes hCG will help w/testicular atrophy as well as stimulate your leydig cells(we don't have an ever ending supply of these) so HCG has been proven to be very productive for the reasons mentioned throughout this thread!

Well you seem like an intelligent kid - despite the mistakes(we all make them)... However your attitude is much different(in a good way) then we see day to day - id strongly urge you to share your story to the younger kids that come on here day after day asking to cycle...

With that said stick around read learn and ask ?'s and we will do our best to get you in the right head space &/the road to recovery! Take this as a lesson learned - but also to pay it forward to others(its helped me when I can get through to one person - it's ine less that'll be back asking for help later down the road!

Also try and stay focused on your long term health... It seems something has finally hit home! Stay positive and keep busy!

[andy15]

Thanks for the compliment, I am actually from Australia and the steroid culture here is getting absolutely out of control. I am advising everyone against it after my run. Unless you want to be and have the chance to be a professional or powerlifter there is no real point of using them recreationally to you are a much older age (if at all). The reason i did was to be a better athlete and to win a national title in my sport. To be honest i think i competed better naturally as i was much more consistent as a person. My goal is to get back to playing rugby at a high level again and live a relatively clean and healthy lifestyle.

A big concern to me is the noticeable changes in my appearance and performance whilst conducting PCT, I feel like nothing will be maintained as i have used steroids incorrectly. It will from XXL back down to L's for me its a pity i through out all my old clothes the other day as well. I think looking towards the future once i get off id like to start using some peptides and maybe some sarms something along those lines. How does that sound?

[NACH3]

Thanks for the compliment, I am actually from Australia and the steroid culture here is getting absolutely out of control. I am advising everyone against it after my run. Unless you want to be and have the chance to be a professional or powerlifter there is no real point of using them recreationally to you are a much older age (if at all). The reason i did was to be a better athlete and to win a national title in my sport. To be honest i think i competed better naturally as i was much more consistent as a person. My goal is to get back to playing rugby at a high level again and live a relatively clean and healthy lifestyle.

A big concern to me is the noticeable changes in my appearance and performance whilst conducting PCT, I feel like nothing will be maintained as i have used steroids incorrectly. It will from XXL back down to L's for me its a pity i through out all my old clothes the other day as well. I think looking towards the future once i get off id like to start using some peptides and maybe some sarms something along those lines. How does that sound?

Peps are a great alternative for you! As far as SARMs im not to big on them(yes they sure have there place)! Concentrate on eating to maintain thru pct - this is where I've/& many have made this mistake... Eat big and you'll lose water but if you eat enough(TDEE or slightly more - just watch the fat increase - up your cardio if need be/in and outta gym in 30/40 min w/less intensity during and after pct. learn how to eat and grow(it's much harder than people think)

[andy15]

Anything else other than peptides then? Yes i to am a little bit critical of sarms after researching them. I do alot of running anyway so i should stay pretty lean at the moment i would say i'd be getting in around 4500 calories a day maybe a bit more. Eating around 6 times relatively clean, I dont eat junk food anyway or fast food for that matter. So drop my calories down your saying? I have plenty of time to train, train rougly 15 hours a week. Just remember i am a competitor in multiple sports.

[NACH3]

Anything else other than peptides then? Yes i to am a little bit critical of sarms after researching them. I do alot of running anyway so i should stay pretty lean at the moment i would say i'd be getting in around 4500 calories a day maybe a bit more. Eating around 6 times relatively clean, I dont eat junk food anyway or fast food for that matter. So drop my calories down your saying? I have plenty of time to train, train rougly 15 hours a week. Just remember i am a competitor in multiple sports.

No keep your cals up during pct and after to maintain your new found muscle tissue - don't cut during pct as you'll lose most of your gains. Eat clean and big thru and after pct! Don't drop cals!

Yeah I woukd say peps are the way to go for you until you reach the correct age - thsts if you want to even pursue it later - nothing wrong w/not foing so if it's causing more problems psychologically... Best thing is to wait it out get your bw and go from there....

[andy15]

Okay i got you so just try continue what exactly what I am doing through PCT. Its going to be hard to get motivated for trainings thats for sure.

What is the real correct age for AAS though? I am certain that i have done damage to make myself the correct age. Interestingly on cycle I have been able to grow a full beard i have shot up an inch from 6'1.5 6.2'5 and look much older in my facial structure if you know what i mean. I lost my baby face. I dont think those features are reversible. What does that mean with future AAS usage? I have not decided on that yet, my main goal is to finish up my cycle here and get myself fully recovered producing natural test again and then assessing my options and looking at my goals. Considering bridging with some ghrp 6 just for appetite and sleep, also some tb500 for injury considering i want to still be training to a reasonable level whilst my body is weakening.

To be honest here one of my biggest phycological problems is dysmorphia which is something i have had for a long time and seeing someone about.AAS almost seem to lax some of the odd things i used to do when i was natural it raised my confidence a bit. Argh how it feels nice to vent on here lol. Thanks again

[qscgugcsq]

At your age it might as well.just be puberty hitting...

But yes steroids can have increase bodyhair (my chest proove it XD)

And also have an effect on some physical traits. But not the height.
Puberty finish at different ages.
And growth can occur until mid 20's
So if you kept getting taller you might just have a growth spur at the same time.

[NACH3]

Okay i got you so just try continue what exactly what I am doing through PCT. Its going to be hard to get motivated for trainings thats for sure.

What is the real correct age for AAS though? I am certain that i have done damage to make myself the correct age. Interestingly on cycle I have been able to grow a full beard i have shot up an inch from 6'1.5 6.2'5 and look much older in my facial structure if you know what i mean. I lost my baby face. I dont think those features are reversible. What does that mean with future AAS usage? I have not decided on that yet, my main goal is to finish up my cycle here and get myself fully recovered producing natural test again and then assessing my options and looking at my goals. Considering bridging with some ghrp 6 just for appetite and sleep, also some tb500 for injury considering i want to still be training to a reasonable level whilst my body is weakening.

To be honest here one of my biggest phycological problems is dysmorphia which is something i have had for a long time and seeing someone about.AAS almost seem to lax some of the odd things i used to do when i was natural it raised my confidence a bit. Argh how it feels nice to vent on here lol. Thanks again

Yeah training thru pct is the hardest part but try and stay busy - it'll be tough sometimes to want to get to the gym as you may be lethargic emotional etc - just the way it is for some(most)

Also Endos suggest age 25 yrs of age for yiur HPTA to be fully matured...