Blood work (6 wks in Tren e)

[WhiteBoy18]

300mg Tren E twice/w
125mg Test E twice/w
Arimidex .25mg EOD
10mg Accutane ED

So far my strength as gone through the roof, ive gotten a lot bigger, yet ive lost almost 4lbs. I have been perfect with my diet and my fat loss goal is working as im now probably 12-13% bf

My diet each day roughly contains 550g carbs, 90 grams of fat and 280 grams of protein. Im eating 7-9 times a day depending on activity level. I have been doing early morning cardio (15 minutes) on an empty stomach and its really helping with that last little bit of fat!

Deadlift 455 1RM
Bench 315 1RM
Squat 355 1RM

Sides so far: Night sweats almost every night. Gets worse with meals right before bed. Irritable but controllable. TONS of sweat. Im a pretty sweaty guy already so I kind of wish i saved tren for the winter months. Literally have to drive with my shirt off or else my back will be SOAKED on sunny days (even with AC)

I did my blood work yesterday but i totally didnt notice my doc forgot to add the test and e so I will be doing another test tmrw morning (free testing in canada )

Also, is there anything i missed on this blood test that i should add to the next one? Besides test and e obviously.

Im not too experienced with reading these tests yet, my doc will explain it to me on monday.


This is what I got back yesterday

[NACH3]

Your liver values are elevated(heavy lifting can do this - but not to that degree I don't believe) - did you run anything for your liver on cycle?? Your HDL can come up - RYR - w/statins(so don't buy it in the states lol as it's been regulated not to gave them - idiots) that I believe will also help w/lowering your LDL(which isn't bad)

What's A in bold mean(you've got it on your legend - but it they all mean something - either different or same but I'm thinking different as they have diff numbers next to them

[WhiteBoy18]

Your liver values are elevated(heavy lifting can do this - but not to that degree I don't believe) - did you run anything for your liver on cycle?? Your HDL can come up - RYR - w/statins(so don't buy it in the states lol as it's been regulated not to gave them - idiots) that I believe will also help w/lowering your LDL(which isn't bad)

What's A in bold mean(you've got it on your legend - but it they all mean something - either different or same but I'm thinking different as they have diff numbers next to them

I cant seem to find what the A is. I will ask my doc on monday but to me it looks like its just highlighting the values that are out of range. I have milk thistle on hand but i read up on it and it seems to have a lot of possible sides?
Milk Thistle: Effects on Liver Disease and Cirrhosis and Clinical Adverse Effects: Summary - AHRQ Evidence Report Summaries - NCBI Bookshelf

A juice monkey from the gym was talking to me about some liver product created by rich piana and he swears by it, have you ever tried it?

Are my liver values terrible or just slightly higher? If they become stupid high i will hands down drop the accutane and just ride out the backne.

Thanks

[dfarre]

How weak you were if 315 bench for you is "strength through the roof"? You shouldn't have been cycling.

[WhiteBoy18]

How weak you were if 315 bench for you is "strength through the roof"? You shouldn't have been cycling.

I dumbbell bench a lot more than barbell. I feel it works the entire pectoral muscle a lot more. I normally use 120-140lbs 6-8 reps 4 sets. Never have done 1MR on barbell bench so my 315 was just an est.

[Baxter35]

I dumbbell bench a lot more than barbell. I feel it works the entire pectoral muscle a lot more. I normally use 120-140lbs 6-8 reps 4 sets. Never have done 1MR on barbell bench so my 315 was just an est.

Don't worry about Dfarre's comments, they're rarely constructive. Your strength level for a first cycle is fine, pretty good actually. For liver health, I've had great results from LiverCare. I ran Accutane for a while and still had normal liver values with one liver are pill a day. LiverCare might be called Liv52 depending where you live...look it up.

[GingerbeardJ]

Don't worry about Dfarre's comments, they're rarely constructive. Your strength level for a first cycle is fine, pretty good actually. For liver health, I've had great results from LiverCare. I ran Accutane for a while and still had normal liver values with one liver are pill a day. LiverCare might be called Liv52 depending where you live...look it up.

This is his 3rd cycle not first.

[Bonaparte]

How weak you were if 315 bench for you is "strength through the roof"? You shouldn't have been cycling.

You really can't come on here and start acting all hard after all the pathetic stuff you've whined about.

[Baxter35]

This is his 3rd cycle not first.

That makes me feel better about his use of tren actually. Even so,his strength is respectable. I've seen far worse on here for sure.

[NACH3]

You really can't come on here and start acting all hard after all the pathetic stuff you've whined about.

I agree!

@dfarre - seriously you should not post any advice or disrespectful comments! Save them for your trolling threads!!! Thx!

[Alta]

Curious how you got your bloods done in Canada? Does your doctor know what you're up to?

I just got my results from my doc (didn't tell him I was cycling) and he thinks I should get tested for hepatitis because of my ALT liver value. Awkward.......

[WhiteBoy18]

Curious how you got your bloods done in Canada? Does your doctor know what you're up to? I just got my results from my doc (didn't tell him I was cycling) and he thinks I should get tested for hepatitis because of my ALT liver value. Awkward.......

I went to my family doctor who's looked after me since I was 1 minute old haha. She obviously said she didn't condone it and wants me to be healthy. I even brought the sauce in! For her to test. Just be straight up with them. You cannot get in any shit from them. Doctor patient confidentiality.

If you are in Canada, tell your doctor you would like to do blood work every 2 weeks. You can sign up online and results are usually there by the end of the day. You we be going to lifelabs.

[bigdil511]

I went to my family doctor who's looked after me since I was 1 minute old haha. She obviously said she didn't condone it and wants me to be healthy. I even brought the sauce in! For her to test. Just be straight up with them. You cannot get in any shit from them. Doctor patient confidentiality. If you are in Canada, tell your doctor you would like to do blood work every 2 weeks. You can sign up online and results are usually there by the end of the day. You we be going to lifelabs.

This is bad advice for people in the U.S.

[kelkel]

I have milk thistle on hand but i read up on it and it seems to have a lot of possible sides?
Milk Thistle: Effects on Liver Disease and Cirrhosis and Clinical Adverse Effects: Summary - AHRQ Evidence Report Summaries - NCBI Bookshelf

Wait, you're running 600 mgs of tren yet you are worried about milk thistle? Think about that.

[NACH3]

Wait, you're running 600 mgs of tren yet you are worried about milk thistle? Think about that.

Very good point! At least run NAC throughout

[WhiteBoy18]

Wait, you're running 600 mgs of tren yet you are worried about milk thistle? Think about that.

Yeah? So are you basically saying that because I'm on tren I shouldn't care about anything else I put into my body?

I've never taken it before, what if my body reacts differently and I get some sides? If I took it from the get go I wouldn't know right. I would probably think it's the tren. At least way I can narrow it down faster.

[WhiteBoy18]

This is bad advice for people in the U.S.

Yes I am talking about canada. Regardless, in the states doctor patient confidentially is law. Your doctor will not rat on you for steroids . The only time it may be breached is if you threaten to hurt yourself or others.

[kelkel]

Not at all. Just keep it in perspective. It just makes no sense in the slightest to fret over liver support when you've already chosen to run tren , basically one of the strongest anabolics there is. Run milk thistle, run NAC, run something to help is my point.

[WhiteBoy18]

Not at all. Just keep it in perspective. It just makes no sense in the slightest to fret over liver support when you've already chosen to run tren, basically one of the strongest anabolics there is. Run milk thistle, run NAC, run something to help is my point.

I know it seems weird but my body reacts to the weirdest things sometimes. I've had very little tren sides, besides the sweat, yet Advil makes me sick. Just don't wanna throw in 3 things and now know how each make me feel.

Do you think I should use NAC even though it's only slightly elevated? I'll go pick up some today regardless. Thanks!

[NACH3]

I found this on a quick search - it's the benefits of NAC - yes imo you should definitely run it on any and all cycles it's a great supplement

Here's the link that it came with - plus you only get one liver!

http://www.lifeextension.com/magazin...steine/page-01

Long relegated to infrequent use in unusual circumstances, the amino acid-derived compound N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) has drawn increased scientific attention.

NAC replenishes levels of the intracellular antioxidant glutathione (GSH), which is often deficient with advancing age and in chronic illness.

NAC also regulates expression of scores of genes in the pathways that link oxidative stress to inflammation.

These dual effects give NAC a unique role in the prevention and treatment of many common diseases, both acute and chronic.

NAC can protect against avian influenza and more common seasonal flu symptoms.

NAC reduces the frequency and duration of attacks of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and may slow the clinical course of idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis (IPF).

NAC protects tissues from the effects of exercise-induced oxidative stress, adding value and safety to your workout.

NAC improves insulin sensitivity in people with some of the most difficult-to-treat metabolic disorders.

NAC blocks cancer development at virtually every step in the process, and through multiple mechanisms, making it an important cancer chemopreventive agent.

NAC fights the stomach infection Helicobacter pylori on two fronts, inhibiting the organism’s growth while reducing production of inflammatory cytokines that can lead to gastritis and cancer.
Though most individuals gain benefits from 600-1,800 mg/day, clinical studies have found that doses of up to 2,000 mg/day are safe and effective. A recent study demonstrated the safety of 2,800 mg/day for 3 months in patients with COPD.23

[WhiteBoy18]

I found this on a quick search - it's the benefits of NAC - yes imo you should definitely run it on any and all cycles it's a great supplement Here's the link that it came with - plus you only get one liver! http://www.lifeextension.com/magazin...steine/page-01 Long relegated to infrequent use in unusual circumstances, the amino acid-derived compound N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) has drawn increased scientific attention. NAC replenishes levels of the intracellular antioxidant glutathione (GSH), which is often deficient with advancing age and in chronic illness. NAC also regulates expression of scores of genes in the pathways that link oxidative stress to inflammation. These dual effects give NAC a unique role in the prevention and treatment of many common diseases, both acute and chronic. NAC can protect against avian influenza and more common seasonal flu symptoms. NAC reduces the frequency and duration of attacks of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and may slow the clinical course of idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis (IPF). NAC protects tissues from the effects of exercise-induced oxidative stress, adding value and safety to your workout. NAC improves insulin sensitivity in people with some of the most difficult-to-treat metabolic disorders. NAC blocks cancer development at virtually every step in the process, and through multiple mechanisms, making it an important cancer chemopreventive agent. NAC fights the stomach infection Helicobacter pylori on two fronts, inhibiting the organism's growth while reducing production of inflammatory cytokines that can lead to gastritis and cancer. Though most individuals gain benefits from 600-1,800 mg/day, clinical studies have found that doses of up to 2,000 mg/day are safe and effective. A recent study demonstrated the safety of 2,800 mg/day for 3 months in patients with COPD.23

That's awesome thanks. Hands down getting some. I'm at the gym now and I'm having joint pain on wrists and elbows. Too low e? I'm doing arimidex .25mg EOD. Should I go .25 E3D? I guess I should wait for bw on Monday

[bigdil511]

Been on nac since I saw it on here (just normal use I'm on trt) and cholesterol and liver function have come down I love it so far.

[WhiteBoy18]

Been on nac since I saw it on here (just normal use I'm on trt) and cholesterol and liver function have come down I love it so far.

Do you take anything for blood pressure? I'm always sitting at 160/90. Can I take aspirin daily to lower this? Or is there anything better

[Bonaparte]

Do you take anything for blood pressure? I'm always sitting at 160/90. Can I take aspirin daily to lower this? Or is there anything better

Aspirin is useless for hypertension.
But there are about 100 BP meds available by Rx that work well.
Hawthorne berry extract and celery seed extract also help a bit.