i think my gear is getting me too bloated

**ojand** · 08-24-2015, 02:28 PM

should i just grab some lasix for my water issue?

**davidtheman100** · 08-24-2015, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

should i just grab some lasix for my water issue?

lol no

**ojand** · 08-24-2015, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

lol no

i read it treats fluid retention so thats why i asked lol

**NACH3** · 08-24-2015, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

i think its water, im lean

Please stop saying your lean.... Your far from lean... Lean means vascularity(aesthetics) you've got your work cut out for you... How much water are you consuming a day??

You even said your eating garbage - why?? That's not how lean bulking works(plus as mentioned it will take you a yr to diet down) - dirty bulking went out the window a long time ago... Your making all this much harder for yourself... Drop the d-Bol(get some NAC - any supp store - or find a RC(for your research) and try getting TUDCA/UDCA but if you get one that should suffice - meaning no need to double up...

Fyi - do some research - lasix are ya nuts - you'd not have a clue as to how to use that correctly - not that it's real safe either - your not competing so no need

**NACH3** · 08-24-2015, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

should i just grab some lasix for my water issue?

If you consumed enough water on a daily basis you wouldn't be AS bloated - but your gaining FAT - w/that sh!tty diet...

**ojand** · 08-24-2015, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Please stop saying your lean.... Your far from lean... Lean means vascularity(aesthetics) you've got your work cut out for you... How much water are you consuming a day??

You even said your eating garbage - why?? That's not how lean bulking works(plus as mentioned it will take you a yr to diet down) - dirty bulking went out the window a long time ago... Your making all this much harder for yourself... Drop the d-Bol(get some NAC - any supp store - or find a RC(for your research) and try getting TUDCA/UDCA but if you get one that should suffice - meaning no need to double up...

Fyi - do some research - lasix are ya nuts - you'd not have a clue as to how to use that correctly - not that it's real safe either - your not competing so no need

yea i dropped the dbol but i dont wana lose srenght should i up my test a bit more to make up for the dbol?

**NACH3** · 08-24-2015, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

yea i dropped the dbol but i dont wana lose srenght should i up my test a bit more to make up for the dbol?

Really?!?!?! C-mon - your diet dictates your gains buddy....

Plus d-Bol strength goes away once stopped just like most of the weight(not in your case since your eating 6kcal Ed of crap...

When you getting BW done??

**ojand** · 08-24-2015, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Really?!?!?! C-mon - your diet dictates your gains buddy....

Plus d-Bol strength goes away once stopped just like most of the weight(not in your case since your eating 6kcal Ed of crap...

When you getting BW done??

i live in dubai its kinda hard to get bw

**ojand** · 08-25-2015, 07:12 PM

boys i lost some strenght after dropping dbol :/

**Xphanial** · 08-25-2015, 07:39 PM

Lol this is still going.

**Kramer33** · 08-25-2015, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

Test e 700mg with 40dbol. 22 yrs old 5'8 232 pounds

Ojand, you poor man. Too much gear. Take it from me. I did a bunch of crap at your age, and it took 10 years to lose all the post-cycle fat gain. I would kill to have my 20 year old waist line again, but the high dose gear and heavy eating changed my body permanently.

I am 7 inches taller and heavier than you, but I eat almost HALF as much as you. Did you know a Muscle Milk RTD (40 grams of protein) is about $4.00 at any gas station? That would be waaaaayyyy better than a double cheeseburger "value meal" and about the same price. Make smarter food choices, reduce your gear by HALF, and increase your non-carbonated water consumption to two gallons per day. That will make a big difference.

**thephoenix25** · 08-25-2015, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

boys i lost some strenght after dropping dbol :/

Of course, dbol gives you a temporary strength boost while you're on it which stops when you discontinue use. Dbol is famous for this and a boost in size (mostly water weight), you should know all this before you started your cycle. BTW, there is no way that your weight gain is just water, even with a high sodium diet you could not hold that much water, its fat.

There is so much wrong with what you are doing its kinda scary that someone would put himself in your position without knowing what you are taking, why you are taking it and how it should be taken whilst using such a horrendous diet strategy. I'm not just worried for your HPTA at your age, I bet blood work would show some significant liver values too. Having gained so much fat you'll be aromatizing at a much higher rate than when you started (based on your before pic).

This thread shows a complete misunderstanding of how to cycle safely and effectively. I just hope you come out of this without too many lasting problems.

**Xphanial** · 08-25-2015, 09:26 PM

The what not to do in a cycle explained.............

**ojand** · 09-04-2015, 03:11 PM

just an update: i suffered severe chest pains at night after adding clen to my bulk cycle last week, was rushed to the hospital and was let go in the morning. compltely dropped all my gear and started pct. id rather have limp dick than die at 22. iv learned my lesson

**davidtheman100** · 09-04-2015, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

just an update: i suffered severe chest pains at night after adding clen to my bulk cycle last week, was rushed to the hospital and was let go in the morning. compltely dropped all my gear and started pct. id rather have limp dick than die at 22. iv learned my lesson

jesus man hope everything is alright...I don't wanna see a thread from you in a couple weeks asking how to use DNP either lmao

**NACH3** · 09-04-2015, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

just an update: i suffered severe chest pains at night after adding clen to my bulk cycle last week, was rushed to the hospital and was let go in the morning. compltely dropped all my gear and started pct. id rather have limp dick than die at 22. iv learned my lesson

I hope your ok! Obviously theres much more to this than what most think! Just be glad(and im glad)you made it out ok - coulda been a lot different

What's your pct protocol?

**ojand** · 09-04-2015, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

I hope your ok! Obviously theres much more to this than what most think! Just be glad(and im glad)you made it out ok - coulda been a lot different

What's your pct protocol?

thanks sir and pct is clomid 50mg morning and night and tamox 20mg morning and night

**bass** · 09-04-2015, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

lets see u try eating 6000 of chicken breast, ground beef, fish. ul go broke lol

whats the point then? just counting calories is not what feeds your muscles. 3500 clean cals would help you build muscle far better than the 6000 cals of junk food.

**thephoenix25** · 09-04-2015, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

just an update: i suffered severe chest pains at night after adding clen to my bulk cycle last week, was rushed to the hospital and was let go in the morning. compltely dropped all my gear and started pct. id rather have limp dick than die at 22. iv learned my lesson

I'm sorry to hear it's ended this way for you, but lets be honest, you were playing with fire, it could have been a lot worse.

Run you PCT properly, eat clean, keep training, keep your head up and learn from this experience. Don't let these events define you during your PCT, its tough enough without adding emotional burden to it.

Its great that you are man enough to update us so others who read this can learn from it too, thank you. I wish you the best of luck in your recovery.

**solit1ea** · 09-05-2015, 07:37 AM

Wow--- This cycle went from shit to shit storm quick!

So I see no one touched on the cardiovascular implications of the high amounts of roids coupled with the 6k of shit you were eating (maybe you have and I missed it

). High cholesterol coupled with high BP x2! Your shitty food habits coupled with what you were taking increased all of that! This chest pain you suffered IMO was coming to you sooner or later. Glad to hear you are alright though man. I'd say give yourself 6+ months off to recover and re-evaluate what your taking, how you'll train, and especially what you'll eat before starting again. Your body is gonna need a break from this. Good luck and again, glad to hear you are doing better after that scare

**ojand** · 09-05-2015, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by solit1ea

Wow--- This cycle went from shit to shit storm quick!

So I see no one touched on the cardiovascular implications of the high amounts of roids coupled with the 6k of shit you were eating (maybe you have and I missed it

). High cholesterol coupled with high BP x2! Your shitty food habits coupled with what you were taking increased all of that! This chest pain you suffered IMO was coming to you sooner or later. Glad to hear you are alright though man. I'd say give yourself 6+ months off to recover and re-evaluate what your taking, how you'll train, and especially what you'll eat before starting again. Your body is gonna need a break from this. Good luck and again, glad to hear you are doing better after that scare

yea man i even had trouble masturbating like my heart felt so heavy

**NACH3** · 09-05-2015, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

yea man i even had trouble masturbating like my heart felt so heavy

If true - that didn't make ya think

**Back In Black** · 09-05-2015, 03:16 PM

You're running PCT straight away? Thought you were running test e?

**NACH3** · 09-05-2015, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by ojand

yea man i even had trouble masturbating like my heart felt so heavy

And you then added clen (a stimulant/thermogenic) to your high test and 60+ days of d-Bol

And BIB is right - you didn't already start your pct b4 14days did you? It takes time to clear...

**ojand** · 09-05-2015, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

And you then added clen (a stimulant/thermogenic) to your high test and 60+ days of d-Bol

And BIB is right - you didn't already start your pct b4 14days did you? It takes time to clear...

yea im wiating til im clear

**ojand** · 09-05-2015, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

And you then added clen (a stimulant/thermogenic) to your high test and 60+ days of d-Bol

And BIB is right - you didn't already start your pct b4 14days did you? It takes time to clear...

it was scary man, they brought my bloated ass in a stretcher to the hospital and then got hooked up to bunch of machines. bp was through the roof

**ojand** · 04-10-2016, 08:07 PM

guys i am back on test e

**Iceberg** · 04-10-2016, 08:15 PM

Lol you need to learn how to eat before you kill your self. Forget test E and all the drugs. Your going to hurt yourself.

**Back In Black** · 04-11-2016, 12:25 AM

FFS get buck under your bridge you troll.

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Stop everything and go to the hospital!

You have been transforming yourself completely.

Here is you in March 2015:Attachment 161739

Then in August: Attachment 161740

Dont know when was this: Attachment 161741

And now your changed into this: Attachment 161742

Now tell me again aliens dont exist, gonna report it to the x-files!!!

Maybe you now change to Arabian. Or black?

Back under your bridge.