4 weeks in and only gained 8 lb!

**rGus** · 02-02-2016, 09:03 AM

I'm running test cyp at 500 mg a wk and npp at 450 mg a wk.

I've never ran short esters before but I had the idea that at 4 weeks I should have gained alot more.

I read forums online where people gain 8 to 15 lbs in first two weeks.

The only thing that makes me think this is good gains is that I haven't seem to have alot of water retention.

No complains about strength gains, that shit is through the roof.

**krugerr** · 02-02-2016, 09:09 AM

They're hormones, not magic.

2lbs a week in weights is a great achievement. Remember that there will be an element of water retention.
Whats your full cycle. AI? HCG ?

**TheTaxMan** · 02-02-2016, 09:09 AM

If you have gained 8lbs of lean muscle then thats great imo

I wouldnt worry about what other people gain, they could be telling lies, exaggerating their results, gaining water retention and/or body fat.

15lbs in 2 weeks you said you read? I dont believe that.

Dont read posts like that, just keep an eye on your own results and if your happy with those lean gains who else matters?.

**mark woods** · 02-02-2016, 09:28 AM

Well if your 140lbs then it's not bad I'd say?!

**rGus** · 02-02-2016, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by krugerr

They're hormones, not magic.

2lbs a week in weights is a great achievement. Remember that there will be an element of water retention.
Whats your full cycle. AI? HCG?

I use Letro only when i need to.
Hcg 250ius x2 a wk

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

If you have gained 8lbs of lean muscle then thats great imo

I wouldnt worry about what other people gain, they could be telling lies, exaggerating their results, gaining water retention and/or body fat.

15lbs in 2 weeks you said you read? I dont believe that.

Dont read posts like that, just keep an eye on your own results and if your happy with those lean gains who else matters?.

I'm not really comparing as much as I want to make sure I'm getting everything out of it.

If you guys think 2 lbs a wk is good then its good news for me and that keeps me motivated.

**rGus** · 02-02-2016, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by mark woods

Well if your 140lbs then it's not bad I'd say?!

I'm 191 right now.

**itsjayman02** · 02-03-2016, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by rGus

I'm running test cyp at 500 mg a wk and npp at 450 mg a wk.

I've never ran short esters before but I had the idea that at 4 weeks I should have gained alot more.

I read forums online where people gain 8 to 15 lbs in first two weeks.

The only thing that makes me think this is good gains is that I haven't seem to have alot of water retention.

No complains about strength gains, that shit is through the roof.

8lb in 4 weeks so in 10 weeks you could gain 20lbs

**tice1212** · 02-03-2016, 05:37 PM

I'm going to call troll on this one.

**Bio-Active** · 02-03-2016, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by rGus

I'm running test cyp at 500 mg a wk and npp at 450 mg a wk. I've never ran short esters before but I had the idea that at 4 weeks I should have gained alot more. I read forums online where people gain 8 to 15 lbs in first two weeks. The only thing that makes me think this is good gains is that I haven't seem to have alot of water retention. No complains about strength gains, that shit is through the roof.

I would be happy with 5-8 lbs each cycle

**kelkel** · 02-03-2016, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by rGus

I use Letro only when i need to.

Well there's mistake #1.

**Mp859** · 02-03-2016, 08:27 PM

Your gains will be dictated by your food.

**< <Samson> >** · 02-03-2016, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

I would be happy with 5-8 lbs each cycle

LoL

I have been at this quite while now - so

Shit, I'm happy with 5-8 Lbs. of LBM a year

within 5 years I would have gained 25-40 pounds of LBM

5-8 Lbs in 4 weeks is borderline physically impossible - aside from a 1st cycle - even then

**Bio-Active** · 02-04-2016, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

LoL

I have been at this quite while now - so

Shit, I'm happy with 5-8 Lbs. of LBM a year

within 5 years I would have gained 25-40 pounds of LBM

5-8 Lbs in 4 weeks is borderline physically impossible - aside from a 1st cycle - even then

Certainly 5-8 lbs of muscle is impossible. Many people do not realize eating more food hold more weight in your digestive track also water retention makes us hold more weight as well.

**< <Samson> >** · 02-04-2016, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

Certainly 5-8 lbs of muscle is impossible. Many people do not realize eating more food hold more weight in your digestive track also water retention makes us hold more weight as well.

Lol

Yup, I was one of those people

I gained 10 pounds, I'm juiced - it must be muscle

Realistically speaking hur - I am happy as a hog in shit if I gain 12 pounds & 4 is muscle.

**rGus** · 02-07-2016, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Well there's mistake #1.

Why?

**Mr.BB** · 02-07-2016, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by rGus

Why?

How do you know when you need it??? Guessing E2 values only works in bro science.

And how can you keep normal values using letro that "kills" 98% E2 in one take??

**rGus** · 02-07-2016, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

How do you know when you need it??? Guessing E2 values only works in bro science.

And how can you keep normal values using letro that "kills" 98% E2 in one take??

Everybody says that but I don't think that is totally true, at least not in my experience.

When I start to feel sensitivity and I feel like my libido lowering, i will take .25 mg of letro. Sometime I would have to take it 2, 3 times and sometimes just once for my sex drive to sky rocket and sensitivity to go away.

Arimidex didn't help me in previous cycles and I don't like to consume that crap ed or eod.

I'm not saying it's the right way of doing it and maybe there's a better way but this has been the best scenerio through out my experience of cycling.