Test propionate and Deca

**Slacker78** · 04-30-2016, 03:44 AM

Hello folks, i need some suggestion by you, veterans.

I would like to cycling before the summer, to cutting a bit and the same time increasing a bit lean mass. I'm thinking about to cycle for about 8-12 weeks simply using Test propionate 100mg EOD. Being i also have a whole Deca box of 250mg vials, i wonder if i could involve it in my cycle, in 250mg Deca shots per week, removing it 2 weeks before ending the cycle ( as it is a long ester ) and starting in PCT. Including Deca, as i know it's not suitable for cutting cycle, would i risk to compromise the cutting results ? I would to remove a bit of abdominal fat keeping lean mass and possibly, increasing it a bit and i wonder if including Deca could be not suitable for these targets, even if i do control the diet it about.

What do you suggest it about ? Unfortunately i have not opportunity to have Trenbolone and/or Stanazolo which would be perfect to stack with Test propionate, but i have a whole box of Deca vials and i would like use it before expiring and my purpose is primarily to cutting.

Thank you in advance for you time.

**numbere** · 04-30-2016, 10:58 AM

Hey Slacker. It's good to see you again!

You can't really cut and add mass at the same time.

Your muscles may appear a bit bigger on a cut cycle because of increased nitrogen/glycogen storage, but you won't add new muscle tissue in a caloric deficit.

Deca can be used successfully on a cut, it really comes down to your diet.

What are your current stats?

How much do you want to cut?

**Slacker78** · 04-30-2016, 11:28 AM

Hello numbere, thank you for your reply. I have no a precise target to cut, because i want to reduce as much as possible my abdominal fat, without a significant loss of lean mass. i'm around at 19% Bf and i know is deprecated to cycling with this high Bf % , due to estrogens aromatization, although i take adex 0.5 EOD as i did in my first bulking cycle. I want to mantain within a low security range for these reasons, using just a Test propionate to give me an help to preserve lean mass, changing diet and training to remove a bit of fat, don't loosing too much lean mass. I'm bored to see my good mass but with my abdomen
surrounded with fat. If i can reach a good result with Test propionate 100mg EOD and diet, without Deca , i will do in this way. But i'd like by you some suggestion in about, to proceed in a good way.

**numbere** · 05-01-2016, 11:15 AM

Honestly, if I were in your position I'd cut naturally until I got down to at least 15% bf before using prop.

Yes, aromatization can be difficult at higher bf and there are other potential issues.

Didn't you have a blood pressure issue last summer?

This would likely be made worse by cycling now.

Have you ever cut on a keto diet?

I can lose about 1% of bf a week on a keto with minimal loss in muscle tissue, although everyone's body responds differently to dieting.

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**Slacker78** · 05-01-2016, 12:25 PM

Numbere, last summer it went back to normal ( 128/85 ) and anxiety went down after i took adex at 0.5mg; i suppose my bf was lower than now. Yesterday, after my first 100mg shot of Test prop, i felt well-know symptoms reported with high aromatization: i don't think this is bound to the Test effects in itself, but to E2 raising, even if i took the adex 0.5mg in the same time i did the Test shot. Today i feel better, but yesterday in the afternoon i felt a shit and too much agitated; now my BP is 130/90, and this is my normal. Through a calculation, my BF seems to be is around 25%, and i think it is too much high to cycling and i think that adex 0.5 is too little to control E2 at the moment. Even i could raise the adex dosage to 0.75mg this could impact to cholesterol level and i think this is not a good thing. I think it's better to lower the BF, even loosing a little of a muscle tissue, and retry after in time to cycle.

Do you agree ?

**numbere** · 05-01-2016, 12:57 PM

Yes, I agree.

Just stop pinning before you make the situation worse.

If you make a thread in the diet and nutrition form we can get you on track to lose some of that bf and help get you ready for a summer cycle.

**Slacker78** · 05-01-2016, 01:04 PM

Ok. I stopped pinning and i will try to reduce BF naturally, hoping to keep a good level of muscle tissue. I will open a thread it about. Thank you so much, Numbere.

**Ashop** · 05-01-2016, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

Hey Slacker. It's good to see you again!

You can't really cut and add mass at the same time.

Your muscles may appear a bit bigger on a cut cycle because of increased nitrogen/glycogen storage, but you won't add new muscle tissue in a caloric deficit.

Deca can be used successfully on a cut, it really comes down to your diet.

What are your current stats?

How much do you want to cut?

You said it best. DIET will determine your outcome. I have used TEST/DECA numerous times in cutting phases with great success.
One of my favorite cycles is WINSTROL /DECA/TEST