First Cycle Looking Good?

**chrisali** · 05-31-2016, 12:53 PM

6'3 200lbs(possibly 190 when i start as i am cutting still) serious lifting for 4.5 years
Past experience: 1 simple prohormone cycle, no aas experience

After months of research this is what I have put together for my first cycle

Support Supps:
Multi
Fish oil
Joint V
BCAA
Taurine
Assault Labs Damage Control
Hawthorn Berry (preload for 2 weeks)

Cycle:
Weeks 1-6 Kalpa Pharm Dbol 20-30mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Kalpa Pharm Test E 500mg per week one injection
Weeks 2-16(first day pct) 500 iu's HCG - 2 250iu injection per week
Weeks 13-15 Let body clear out

Weeks 16-19 PCT: Aromasin 12.5/25/25/12.5 ED
Clomid 100/100/100/none ED
Nolva 20/20/20/20 ED

Using 23 gauge 1.5 inch needles for test injection and 5 ml syringe for withdrawal

My questions: should i take 12.5 mg aromasin ed on cycle from start, if gyno arises, or not at all. Should I take Nolva ed 10mg on cycle if gyno arises? Also is the hcg dosing good/if i mix it with bac water must it still be refrigerated? Thanks everyone!

**kelkel** · 05-31-2016, 01:04 PM

Keep it simple and follow this:

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**01dragonslayer** · 05-31-2016, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Keep it simple and follow this:

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

I concur. Bi-weekly injections will keep blood levels elevated and consistent.

**chrisali** · 05-31-2016, 03:17 PM

solid read thank you. do you also agree with a-dex over aromasin

**kelkel** · 05-31-2016, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by chrisali

solid read thank you. do you also agree with a-dex over aromasin

I personally prefer it, but either will work.

**kelkel** · 05-31-2016, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by 01dragonslayer

I concur. Bi-weekly injections will keep blood levels elevated and consistent.

Good to see you around!

**chrisali** · 05-31-2016, 04:30 PM

one more question for you kelkel. that post you had me read said to take NAC for cycle support. Is that enough? because if i can drop the assault labs damage control that would save me a huge $70

**kelkel** · 05-31-2016, 07:22 PM

Never heard of Assault Labs Damage Control. Yes, NAC is a proven product and healthy as well.

**01dragonslayer** · 06-01-2016, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Good to see you around!

Great to spend some time back here.

**Metalject** · 06-02-2016, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by chrisali

6'3 200lbs(possibly 190 when i start as i am cutting still) serious lifting for 4.5 years
Past experience: 1 simple prohormone cycle, no aas experience

After months of research this is what I have put together for my first cycle

Support Supps:
Multi
Fish oil
Joint V
BCAA
Taurine
Assault Labs Damage Control
Hawthorn Berry (preload for 2 weeks)

Cycle:
Weeks 1-6 Kalpa Pharm Dbol 20-30mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Kalpa Pharm Test E 500mg per week one injection
Weeks 2-16(first day pct) 500 iu's HCG - 2 250iu injection per week
Weeks 13-15 Let body clear out

Weeks 16-19 PCT: Aromasin 12.5/25/25/12.5 ED
Clomid 100/100/100/none ED
Nolva 20/20/20/20 ED

Using 23 gauge 1.5 inch needles for test injection and 5 ml syringe for withdrawal

My questions: should i take 12.5 mg aromasin ed on cycle from start, if gyno arises, or not at all. Should I take Nolva ed 10mg on cycle if gyno arises? Also is the hcg dosing good/if i mix it with bac water must it still be refrigerated? Thanks everyone!

I see no problem with dbol in a first cycle, I know many will disagree, and that's OK. The argument against it is you've never cycled and if you run into problems you won't know which one is causing the problem. Well, in this case, problems that exist are going to be estrogen related. Both Testosterone and Dbol are going to aromatize and increase estrogen levels, same problem whether you're using one or both. The solution, include an AI in your cycle, I prefer anastrozole, but different ones work better for others.

And on another note, the added Dbol, let's face it, dbol is pretty much just for fun, it doesn't do anything that's going to help anyone meet an end goal. But it's fun to use, and training is supposed to be fun. If all other things are in check, I say have at it.

**kelkel** · 06-02-2016, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

And on another note, the added Dbol, let's face it, dbol is pretty much just for fun, it doesn't do anything that's going to help anyone meet an end goal. But it's fun to use, and training is supposed to be fun. If all other things are in check, I say have at it.

Very true.

**Mr.BB** · 06-02-2016, 07:20 AM

I disagree on the dbol .

Using it might mean getting gyno or not, as it increases estrogen much more than test. And then you dont how to adjust the AI.

Yes, it is fun, i personally luv it, but at what cost?

**musclestack** · 06-02-2016, 07:46 AM

I personally disagree with cycling at 20 years old. My 2 cents. Read the link below to find out why:

The young and Steroids

**Metalject** · 06-02-2016, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

I disagree on the dbol .

Using it might mean getting gyno or not, as it increases estrogen much more than test. And then you dont how to adjust the AI.

Yes, it is fun, i personally luv it, but at what cost?

I just don't see it as a very difficult issue. If he runs 500mg of test per wk he'll need X amount of AI. If he adds in a little dbol he may or may not need a little more AI.

And when it comes to gyno, this isn't something that occurs overnight.

**chrisali** · 06-02-2016, 06:16 PM

I was under the impression that dbol was fun but would also give me better gains than just test alone. wouldnt another compound have an increased effect on the success of the cycle? And yes I know I am 20 I know it is too early by 3-5 years I know I'm an idiot but I want to run a cycle. Growth plates fusing is a not a big deal as I have been 6'3 for 5 years and was 6'2 7 years ago